Media Discussion - 2023/24

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The Guardian aspiring to be Talksport. Born as a socialist paper in Manchester. Emboldened by the Peterloo massacre. Now descended into a shell of a publication taking it's lead from social media.
Not that it matters to this thread but never really socialist tbf, was founded by liberals and has always sided with the liberals or neo-liberals, only backed labour in the 80s/90s when it adopted a more neo-liberal agenda.

It has talked shite on the front and back pages for quite a while now.
 
'Beyond that, a frightening calm. There is a school of thought out there that City is a club driven by grudges and enmities, fuelled by antagonism and spoiling for scraps at any opportunity. Perhaps this is true at a boardroom level, or on the wild frontiers of the internet, where City fans remain unrivalled in their capacity to nurture conspiracy theories and illusory slights, desperate to be hated.' :-)
Can you imagine the spineless **** saying something similar about a group of supporters that point the finger of blame at the SAS?
 
This is exactly how the abusers in an abusive relationship work. Abuse, then blame the victim.' oh look at the city fans moaning about a perceived injustice'
As witnessed in that excellent youtube video by the Grimsby fan, we're not all paranoid tin foil hatters, it's a fact we are getting an endless stream of unjustified shit.
This **** even manages to contradict himself in one article, stating 'city fans are desperate to be hated' whilst slagging us off.
****.
Not sure I'm aware of this insightful Grimsby follower - surely he's not broken rank from the masses..........
 
Is going unbeaten that great ? It sounds amazing but if you look at it, 12 draws wasn't it.
Would a team that drew every match and got relegated be as great as that arsenal side ? Both go unbeaten.
The debate can be put to bed right here, the 100 point team is the best pl team of all time, as thats the metric that the pl is judged on, nobody gets a most stylish trophy (although lets not give the dippers any ideas), nobody avoids relegation because they tried really really hard, it is solely based on points and the team that has got the most ever is the best ever and that for all but the most stupid of media and other fans is where the discussion begins and ends.
 
as he is a red scouse cult member I doubt it.
They way they are reported upon suggests a collective membership across the Fourth Estate. By any objective measure, the group of supporters with the greatest capacity to nurture conspiracy theories and illusory slights are Liverpool fans. There are countless examples of this and it is a course of conduct that goes back 40 years, when they absurdly blamed Heysel on a number of third parties and rogue actors. And yet not one member of our free and fearless press dare comment on it. Actually one did, and he was subject to a witch-hunt. So, like all bullies they look for a less recalcitrant target.

It actually reflects poorly on the club and their supine approach to dealing with the press that Liew feels brave enough to gaslight its supporters in those terms.
 
The bitterness from Jonathan Liew's latest spewings over at The Guardian.

Shan't be linking it for the obvious but I found the below passage a particular high/ point of the article.

'Beyond that, a frightening calm. There is a school of thought out there that City is a club driven by grudges and enmities, fuelled by antagonism and spoiling for scraps at any opportunity. Perhaps this is true at a boardroom level, or on the wild frontiers of the internet, where City fans remain unrivalled in their capacity to nurture conspiracy theories and illusory slights, desperate to be hated.' :-)

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A school of thought created by the likes of him and his colleagues to nurture the irrational responses of those incapable of free thinking against the club and it's support base. This is the freedom of the press for you from someone laughingly called a sports journalist, but the most worrying aspect is the front pages are even worse.
 
The Guardian aspiring to be Talksport. Born as a socialist paper in Manchester. Emboldened by the Peterloo massacre. Now descended into a shell of a publication taking it's lead from social media.
The slide of the Guardian started with the move to London and targeting the media and teaching as its audience. A decline in print made predictable the shift to social media content and its views.

Any pretence of championing social justice or factual reporting is an illusion peddled by its middle-class, self-styled, right-on socialist contributors and editorials with their opinion pieces. This includes the re-educating of the working class masses about football. Pseuds corner? Too right.
 
Welcome to the Manchester (how ironic) Guardian.

Packed full of so called journalists constantly ready to slag off our club. Lieu’s reference to us encapsulates the contempt the paper holds for us. How dare the little people stick up for the club they support.

Guardian talks of integrity, fairness and bravery but is happy to run with the cartel pack and whip up dislike of a club from the city it started from. If only our owners were American venture capitalists. If only the club would know its place so they could make money out of a hard luck story.

City fans should never forget what the cowards at this paper have done. They don’t like us so don’t fund them.
 
The bitterness from Jonathan Liew's latest spewings over at The Guardian.

Shan't be linking it for the obvious but I found the below passage a particular high/ point of the article.

'Beyond that, a frightening calm. There is a school of thought out there that City is a club driven by grudges and enmities, fuelled by antagonism and spoiling for scraps at any opportunity. Perhaps this is true at a boardroom level, or on the wild frontiers of the internet, where City fans remain unrivalled in their capacity to nurture conspiracy theories and illusory slights, desperate to be hated.' :-)

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He also goes on about Pep being worried by Fulham and changing the training to suit.
It's not news, I did a stadium tour about 10 years ago and was told City have training pitches the same as all other pl clubs. Most pl use the same pitch but a few still use old soil based pitches, so City have one training pitch of the old soil spec.
I think at the time I did the tour City had 3 pitches of different spec. As the pl at the time had 3 different spec pitches.
 
As other have pointed out for years, you can go unbeaten and get relegated (would have been the case in several seasons over the past ten years), so it shouldn’t be the main aim of any club.
Exactly correct. Saying that going unbeaten is the pinnacle of achievement ignores 150 years of league football being points-based.

Unless Keown thinks the current PL table should look like this?
1st Man City; Lost 3; Pts "Doesn't Matter"
2nd Liverpool; Lost 4
3rd Arsenal; Lost 5

Somehow I think the evolutionary throwback would have a different opinion this year.
 
Exactly correct. Saying that going unbeaten is the pinnacle of achievement ignores 150 years of league football being points-based.

Unless Keown thinks the current PL table should look like this?
1st Man City; Lost 3; Pts "Doesn't Matter"
2nd Liverpool; Lost 4
3rd Arsenal; Lost 5

Somehow I think the evolutionary throwback would have a different opinion this year.
Keown is a clueless, biased Tarquin shill.
Whenever he starts spouting bollocks, he goes on mute as I think about the clip posted on here a few weeks ago when he lost it on Talkshite.
 
One of the very first unjustified insults was around the sacking of Hughes & already having Mancini lined up. We faced lies & abuse & racist insinuations that that’s not how we do things over here…. The defence of surely it makes perfect sense if you know what you are doing fell on deaf ears.

Meanwhile I must have heard half a dozen times today that Ten Hag can’t be sacked until they have coach lined up.
It was even worse than that, they claimed that Mancini was sat in the one of the boxes watching during the last game before we sacked Hughes.

I've just had to turn off SSN before I threw the remote at the TV. They were interviewing Saka and asking him what it's like playing at the rags and dippers grounds giving Saka the opportunity to bang on about history.
 
The bitterness from Jonathan Liew's latest spewings over at The Guardian.

Shan't be linking it for the obvious but I found the below passage a particular high/ point of the article.

'Beyond that, a frightening calm. There is a school of thought out there that City is a club driven by grudges and enmities, fuelled by antagonism and spoiling for scraps at any opportunity. Perhaps this is true at a boardroom level, or on the wild frontiers of the internet, where City fans remain unrivalled in their capacity to nurture conspiracy theories and illusory slights, desperate to be hated.' :-)

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Skilfully maintained by who? How? Is he finally outing himself and his fellow shills?

Is he claiming Arsenal and the dippers deliberately threw those two games on the same weekend to put us back in charge? Does he really think we're that good that we can lose points early on and still easily overtake other teams making it a foregone conclusion?
 
Don't forget this is Arsenal.

They're not exactly the most ambitious club in the division. Arsene Wenger would often refer to how finishing in the top four felt like winning a trophy.

If you celebrate that level of mediocrity it stands to reason you'd think going unbeaten over a season is a big deal.
Wenger won just 3 titles during his tenure, the Tarquins were amongst the biggest spenders and wage payers. They paid £11m for Henry whilst our biggest fee was £3.3m for Lee Bradbury at the time, no one brought up inequality then.

To clarify Wenger did some great business with the likes of Anelka and Overmars sold for big cash but due to the Tarquins ability to pay top dollar on wages and transfers it put them in an envious position.

Shock horror, the correlation between spend on transfers and wages and winning trophies existed even then, same for the Dippers and the Rags, there’s nothing new about it.
 
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