Media Discussion - 2023/24

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gordondaviesmoustache said:
Can you imagine the spineless **** saying something similar about a group of supporters that point the finger of blame at the SAS?
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Now I'm not saying such a scholar hasn't aired his very well constructed views on that particular tragic event, however when I just tried to Google 'Jonathan Liew on Heisel' it didn't return anything close to an opinion on it.

Almost as if he has never voiced a view on it - you know, the anniversary that comes around once a a year every fucking year!?!

However, what I did stumble across his footballing allegiance (I am going to have to paraphrase this as I now can't find the same pissing link - apologies)

Ahem;

'I am a follower of Spurs and Arsenal, but it is a very strict 1 & 2'

Insightful............
 
It’s a concept never mentioned but the very job of being a journalist fosters incredible levels of arrogance and Liew is a perfect example.

If you think about it, as a journalist you are almost never wrong. You aren’t accountable for P&L or operational effectiveness. You’re not a solicitor who might lose a case they thought they might win or a doctor who loses a patient they hoped they could save.

These are all events/failures that prompt you to question your own performance/ability and whether you could have done things better.

If you’re a journalist you just sit and write, and the nature of the job means you have so much latitude in what you can say it’s almost impossible to be “wrong”. You just fall back on public interest or “it’s what my sources say”.

Think about it, if every day of your working life you can never be wrong it builds a level of astonishing arrogance and humility goes out of the window.

The biggest irony in all of this is that the basic principle of journalism is to question everything, yet the only thing journalists like Liew refuse to question is whether or not their own opinion might be wrong.
 
Onholiday(somemightsay) said:
Now I'm not saying such a scholar hasn't aired his very well constructed views on that particular tragic event, however when I just tried to Google 'Jonathan Liew on Heisel' it didn't return anything close to an opinion on it.

Almost as if he has never voiced a view on it - you know, the anniversary that comes around once a a year every fucking year!?!

However, what I did stumble across his footballing allegiance (I am going to have to paraphrase this as I now can't find the same pissing link - apologies)

Ahem;

'I am a follower of Spurs and Arsenal, but it is a very strict 1 & 2'

Insightful............
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In other words, he's a pompous London centric wanker.
 
Anyone else hear the Martin Samuel advert on Talksport where he invites people to subscribe to read his columns in the Times and Sunday Times?
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
They way they are reported upon suggests a collective membership across the Fourth Estate. By any objective measure, the group of supporters with the greatest capacity to nurture conspiracy theories and illusory slights are Liverpool fans. There are countless examples of this and it is a course of conduct that goes back 40 years, when they absurdly blamed Heysel on a number of third parties and rogue actors. And yet not one member of our free and fearless press dare comment on it. Actually one did, and he was subject to a witch-hunt. So, like all bullies they look for a less recalcitrant target.

It actually reflects poorly on the club and their supine approach to dealing with the press that Liew feels brave enough to gaslight its supporters in those terms.
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Spot on. Liew has absolutely no self awareness or his head is wedged firmly up his own arse. Most likely both. The man's a malicious fucking fraud.
 
Metal Biker said:
Just then on SSN

"Man City can go above Arsenal with a win over Fulham, but it's at the BOTTOM of the table where things get INTERESTING!"

Determining the potential winner of the Premier League and Champions of England isn't interesting? Must remember that...
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It's like the CL...we were bottlers for years, Rodders scores and we've made the Compy boring. Even this season the CL gone from boring to brilliant amazingly around the time we were knocked out.
 
spiny said:
The slide of the Guardian started with the move to London and targeting the media and teaching as its audience. A decline in print made predictable the shift to social media content and its views.

Any pretence of championing social justice or factual reporting is an illusion peddled by its middle-class, self-styled, right-on socialist contributors and editorials with their opinion pieces. This includes the re-educating of the working class masses about football. Pseuds corner? Too right.
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Spot on. Thank you for articulating what I've thought about The Guardian for a while now. I stopped subscribing to this self righteous, sanctimonious, negative reporting rag a while ago.
 
urban genie said:
Not that it matters to this thread but never really socialist tbf, was founded by liberals and has always sided with the liberals or neo-liberals, only backed labour in the 80s/90s when it adopted a more neo-liberal agenda.

It has talked shite on the front and back pages for quite a while now.
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The Guardian. The only paper where you can see a story highlighting the increasing use of food banks just above recipes with ingredients I've never heard of and whose cost, for a single meal, could feed a family of four for a week, or a piece about an environmentally friendly holiday that costs £5k.
 
Like so many of his colleagues, he's just a fan with a laptop. If the story is true, (see what I did there Jonathan?) about his allegiance is 1. Spurs then 2, Arsenal, you can imagine his real motivation in the headline.

So much hope for the season two months in for Spurs, then nothing. Then he goes to his old fall back club the Arse. Now as the inevitable draws closer as they run out of games, he throws his toys out of the pram and questions the competition.

He's probably wondering right now, why he didn't choose politics, but we all know how that would end up.

There's a rumour out there also, that I am better looking than Brad Pitt and bloody well hung. Probably not a great example of his theories, as its pretty much close to the truth. (see what I did there Jonathan - they will never know if it's true!)
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
The Guardian. The only paper where you can see a story highlighting the increasing use of food banks just above recipes with ingredients I've never heard of and whose cost, for a single meal, could feed a family of four for a week, or a piece about an environmentally friendly holiday that costs £5k.
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Kinnell, the price of hiking boots these days.
 
Metal Biker said:
Just then on SSN

"Man City can go above Arsenal with a win over Fulham, but it's at the BOTTOM of the table where things get INTERESTING!"

Determining the potential winner of the Premier League and Champions of England isn't interesting? Must remember that...
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I thought this was the best title run in in 30 years or is it because the dippers have fucked it as usual and we play first this weekend ?
 
Onholiday(somemightsay) said:
The bitterness from Jonathan Liew's latest spewings over at The Guardian.

Shan't be linking it for the obvious but I found the below passage a particular high/ point of the article.

'Beyond that, a frightening calm. There is a school of thought out there that City is a club driven by grudges and enmities, fuelled by antagonism and spoiling for scraps at any opportunity. Perhaps this is true at a boardroom level, or on the wild frontiers of the internet, where City fans remain unrivalled in their capacity to nurture conspiracy theories and illusory slights, desperate to be hated.' :-)

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The title race is such an illusion that only intellectual titans such as him can see it.
He still carries the air of a 5th former being caught having a wank in the toilets.
 
Asa's left peg said:
Like so many of his colleagues, he's just a fan with a laptop. If the story is true, (see what I did there Jonathan?) about his allegiance is 1. Spurs then 2, Arsenal, you can imagine his real motivation in the headline.

So much hope for the season two months in for Spurs, then nothing. Then he goes to his old fall back club the Arse. Now as the inevitable draws closer as they run out of games, he throws his toys out of the pram and questions the competition.

He's probably wondering right now, why he didn't choose politics, but we all know how that would end up.

There's a rumour out there also, that I am better looking than Brad Pitt and bloody well hung. Probably not a great example of his theories, as its pretty much close to the truth. (see what I did there Jonathan - they will never know if it's true!)
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Liew on Spurs/Arsenal towards the end here:

thesetpieces.com

Vox in the Box: Jonathan Liew

Jonathan Liew is a columnist and feature writer for the Daily Telegraph, covering football and a number of other sports that aren't quite as good. He was also on Countdown a few years ago...You star
thesetpieces.com thesetpieces.com

Looks to be from 2016, as Winter went to the Times in 2015.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Can you imagine the spineless **** saying something similar about a group of supporters that point the finger of blame at the SAS?
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Word soup tribute to JL. A blister of The First Water, aching for The Second Coming of The Third Reich where The Fourth Estate is The Fifth Column.
 
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