VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

Would you want VAR scrapped?

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Soucek's handball shouldn't have even gone to VAR but to be fair it didn't take long to come to a conclusion. You could point to Arsenal's winner to be a similar call and that didn't come under any scrutiny.
 
RayCTID said:
Soucek's handball shouldn't have even gone to VAR but to be fair it didn't take long to come to a conclusion. You could point to Arsenal's winner to be a similar call and that didn't come under any scrutiny.
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I thought the Arsenal one was checked and overturned?

I don't ever remember the criteria for handball ever mentioning 'looking at the ball'. Jesus moved his hole body towards the ball, made contact with his upper arm and gained a clear advantage. It shouldn't have been anything other than handball. The PiGMOL are just making it up as they go along. It isn't VAR that needs scrapping, it Red Webb's band of merry men fuckwitt's.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
I thought the Arsenal one was checked and overturned?

I don't ever remember the criteria for handball ever mentioning 'looking at the ball'. Jesus moved his hole body towards the ball, made contact with his upper arm and gained a clear advantage. It shouldn't have been anything other than handball. The PiGMOL are just making it up as they go along. It isn't VAR that needs scrapping, it Red Webb's band of merry men fuckwitt's.
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I wasn't sure about Arsenal's I thought it hadn't been looked at with VAR but re-checked it and it had.
 
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SebastianBlue said:
I think this video shows the frustration with VAR is largely the inconsistency with application of the rules by the referees and VARs, and the failure of the league and PGMOL to acknowledge—and make changes to mitigate—the consistent errors, variation of outcomes, and/or flaws with the technology.

Gallagher gives his “I can understand why the two decisions were different” defence of two very similar handball incidents involving VAR leading to two very different outcomes.

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Ref Watch: Should Kai Havertz's winner against Everton have stood?

The Ref Watch team have their say on Kai Havertzs winner against Everton and whether it should have counted following a possible handball from Gabriel Jesus in the build-up.
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Some fans would always be unhappy, I freely admit that, but I do believe the anti-VAR fervour would be much more isolate if fans could see them actually trying to substantively improve the system and processes, rather than roll out initiatives merely meant to gaslight fans and legitimise what already is.
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I can’t remember the Bournemouth one now, even though it was only last week. But for the sake of argument, I’ll accept it was similar to the Arsenal one and probably should have had the same outcome.

I suppose it’s the age old problem that has always existed of a human being being asked to judge whether another human being has deliberately done something.

My point wasn’t comparing the Bournemouth goal with the Arsenal one though. It was in reply to the guy saying the West Ham and Arsenal ones were similar. When it’s not an opinion but a matter of fact that they can’t possibly be compared, as the handball law is different for a goalscorer than any other player.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
I thought the Arsenal one was checked and overturned?

I don't ever remember the criteria for handball ever mentioning 'looking at the ball'. Jesus moved his hole body towards the ball, made contact with his upper arm and gained a clear advantage. It shouldn't have been anything other than handball. The PiGMOL are just making it up as they go along. It isn't VAR that needs scrapping, it Red Webb's band of merry men fuckwitt's.
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Absolutely, Lineker wondered how the two handballs had different outcomes, and suggested the Law on handball was in a mess. I think the mess stems from the idiots blowing the whistle and viewing a screen that come to two opposite conclusions. Until we hear and see on the stadium screen what is being heard, seen and said in the VAR shed we will get PiGMOL's finest redrafting the handball law week in and week out.

I await what handball deliberations will be made in the final next week. Was Jack's handball last year any more or less than Gabby's handball yesterday?
 
Keeping it is the lesser of two evils for me, and the Soucek handball incident backs it up.
 
Jesus leaned down and used his arm, even though it was tucked into the side of his body. In short, he moved his arm towards the ball in order to control it. That’s handball, even if it’s next to his body.

If he hadn’t leaned into it and the ball simply hit his arm, no problem.

Oliver could have given the title to Arsenal IF WHU had managed to grab a 2nd before Rodri stepped up! It was a BIG DECISION to ignore VAR on a ball that obviously DID hit his arm.
 
Citizen in Pakistan said:
The problem isn't the Var it's the people who operate it, if you're gonna allow goals like jesus after Var scrutiny than people will question it
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You can’t blame the VAR for that goal standing. He clearly thought Oliver had made a big mistake and recommended he change it.

He can’t insist he takes his advice.
 
I don't mind the ref in the Arsenal deciding it wasn't hand ball. Or the ref in our game.

I just want them to take a look on camera themselves and decide. Not the Var guys who seem no better. Let the ref be accountable completely.
 
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According to the Times, PGMOL's solution for next season is for VAR to only intervene when the referee's decision is 'clearly wrong.'

As opposed to the current threshold of a 'clear and obvious error'.

Now I know they have some real geniuses working over at PGMOL, but to my understanding of the English language, that's the same fucking thing.

Either they're stupid, or they think everyone else is. Or both.

Putting language aside, why are they learning the wrong lessons again? Having VAR intervene even less won't make anyone happy. All the arguments against it will still apply, you'll just be making more errors.
 
balotelli's back pocket said:
According to the Times, PGMOL's solution for next season is for VAR to only intervene when the referee's decision is 'clearly wrong.'

As opposed to the current threshold of a 'clear and obvious error'.

Now I know they have some real geniuses working over at PGMOL, but to my understanding of the English language, that's the same fucking thing.

Either they're stupid, or they think everyone else is. Or both.

Putting language aside, why are they learning the wrong lessons again? Having VAR intervene even less won't make anyone happy. All the arguments against it will still apply, you'll just be making more errors.
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And who will decide that it is "clearly wrong"? FFS it goes from bad to worse.
 
AirbagsOptionalTheReturn said:
Don't engage him he sees no reason and has a hard on for VAR and can't see that the implementation of it is flawed
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Half the votes would rather keep VAR or on the fence, so there's plenty it seems that have a 'hard on' for VAR.
Whilst often highlighting the positives of VAR i have also throughout this thread been critical of VAR and sympathies with those who don't want it - so you're chatting shit.
 
Chak19 said:
Keeping it is the lesser of two evils for me, and the Soucek handball incident backs it up.
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Part of me feels they knew it was handball when it happened but purposely left it for VAR to overturn in order highlight its importance.

No way both the ref and linesman didn't see it or the VAR official immediately call it handball over comms watching it in real-time but it provided a timely spotlight/showcase moment for why we need VAR.
 
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balotelli's back pocket said:
According to the Times, PGMOL's solution for next season is for VAR to only intervene when the referee's decision is 'clearly wrong.'

As opposed to the current threshold of a 'clear and obvious error'.

Now I know they have some real geniuses working over at PGMOL, but to my understanding of the English language, that's the same fucking thing.

Either they're stupid, or they think everyone else is. Or both.

Putting language aside, why are they learning the wrong lessons again? Having VAR intervene even less won't make anyone happy. All the arguments against it will still apply, you'll just be making more errors.
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Bang on. Surely someone somewhere in that organisation should be saying this. It must be deliberate as even PGMOL are not that stupid
 
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