PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Moss Side's Finest]

The guy has put a lot of work in. I got asked about it and I don't want any lack of response to be a suggestion it has lots of great points.

I think he genuinely does believe City are fcked. But so what? I read enough to know a lot of it was sound reading of the emails presented - much of that reading wouldn't be disputed by City. The emails say what the emails say. But I am not spending the time going through 25 long posts and responding line by line. The fundamental misunderstanding is how these trials work, the documents that will likely be available (lots), the importance of witness evidence, the submissions of the defence barristers etc.

It is not Nick Harris. Most likely a young American lawyer or law student.

And do we think he/she could be doing this as part of an orchestrated push by our 'enemies" to further besmudge our reputation

 

[cheekybids]

That was just a sample. There were many more but the implications of them all were a bit over my head. Too many to post but if your on Twitter here’s a link
@themagic_tophat
https://twitter.com/themagic_tophat

There over everyone’s head. The simple truth is the pricks thinking they are a smoking gun don’t understand the rules, this evidence & what it refers to & can’t see any counter evidence from City.

If they were confident there would be nothing leaked & they’d allow the process to resolve. This is a coordinated smear campaign “a-fucking-gain” & along with an absolute deluge of “cheat-115” which has hit City over the last few weeks.

City have to start taking a few down, no longer can it be ignored.

 

[Damanino]

no question in my mind that all our rivals still heavily pushing PL/independent panel to seriously punish us. Chelsea maybe not as they have their own serious case to be answered soon but Spurs, arse, rags, dippers 100% putting pressure on Masters to catch us and give us the most serious punishment.

and also the pressure they put on their media friends/mouthpieces, they clearly are invested in keeping up this agenda about City being guilty, asterisks etc.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Hi mate not been on for a few days.

Has something new popped up? Seems to be a huge number of posts since I was last on?

Some guy on Twitter had popped up with a "new" analysis of "evidence" against the club (the emails). In the style of our friend Nick Harris but with a different name. Nothing new but people get nervous when this sort of thing happens.

Just that really.

 

[cheekybids]

Having worked in business for many years - thankfully I am no longer in the corporate sphere these days - there was internal correspondence between key stakeholders that included proposals/suggestions/ideas which then had to be tested from a compliance point of view via the usual specialists before being implemented - obviously some proposals would be stopped in their tracks and go no further because of this. To use a crude example, a senior business leader might say to HR via an email I would like to dismiss Mr Magic Hat - clearly, this is not a wise thing to put on email, but the email itself does not mean that Mr Magic Hat would actually be sacked or that the dismissal would be unfair - This type of correspondence happens from time to time. When I worked in a really big company, there were loads of proposals/ideas/presentations relating to sales campaigns that had to be checked with the compliance team due to the company in question being in a regulated industry. I am pretty sure if you looked at some of the presentations in isolation (with no context) they could have been in breach of specific regulations (if implemented), but again, a presentation or an email does not mean something ultimately happened. In an organisation like City, under heavy scrutiny since the early 2010s from UEFA, there is no way they would actively look to breach specific regulations. I remember when UEFA created the FFP rules, I saw it reported that City actively engaged with the advisers that helped create the regulations for UEFA with the sole aim of being compliant with them. I cannot remember who the advisers for UEFA were, but they were one of the big hitters in the industry at the time. So, why would we do that and then go and implement something in breach of the regulations - sounds counter intuitive to me. If anything, like in any business, because accounting is a black art as opposed to a science, there are creative ways to present specific transactions/activities, this does not mean these transactions are in breach of any rules. That does not mean the regulating body are not going to challenge them or that they don't like them (e.g. Fordham the case of City via UEFA). It does not mean that they are in breach of the rules though. Anyway, back to Magic Hat, if City have done the things this individual is suggesting, City have managed to deceive a lot of very intelligent and capable people, which I find very hard to believe on the basis that we have been under scrutiny by UEFA since the early 2010s.

Happened all the time when I was involved. The CEO would fly off the handle & say I’m willing to put a test to the rules & someone usually HR Director telling him you can’t or would probably walk along to the office & explain over a coffee.

 

[Son of Merv]

I think you summed it up pretty well in terms of it’s a good summary of what the PLs case will be but no comment on any form of defence to it.

Quick question on that though, given the CAS case has happened and is in the public domain, just by accusing us, I’d consider that as the PL as a consequence directly accusing people like Simon Pearce of perjury. Is that right and if so, if the case was to go against the PL, could he subsequently individually have any recourse against them? Or, given that there’s new evidence that wasn’t there for the CAS adjudication, is that a no goer?

The PL accusations are against City as an organisation, not the individuals they employ. We dont know enough about what they are basing the allegations of breaches on to know if it's even related to CAS, so there is nothing public that openly identifies or accuses any individual. Nor do I think that even if they are testing the same evidence through their own procedures it would be enough to say they have accused any witnesses of perjury.
But if any of their findings are supported by evidence that directly contradicts witness statements given previously, and it is reasonable to assume those witnesses were party to the particulars of that evidence, UEFA may bring this to the attention of CAS who may pursue it. The Swiss dont have oath swearing like we do, but all CAS witnesses are reminded that 'false testimony' is subject to their laws of perjury.

 

[cheekybids]

Well lets hope it is him, cos if it is we can immediately reject it as a load of deranged city hating unhinged biased nonsense

It’s likely someone who has taken everything Nick Harris has said as gospel & put his own slant on it.

 

[bumbleblue]

This cannot be allowed to continue for much longer surely? It’s fucking draining. I get all that stuff about being the bigger person and not taking it on but that’s fine when money and distance insulates you from the worst of it. When you’re a fan even a well informed one it’s gruelling taking on the media, dickwads, and all comers who are half insane with jealousy. If this was a criminal case they would have had to lay charges and be satisfied we would get a fair hearing.. I am not sure that’s even possible. Anyway sorry I am just fucking sick of it, it’s inescapable, unfair and frankly everywhere. I don’t do much social media, don’t go out to work god bless blues who have to face fucking know-nowts, and spittle-flecked shouters On a daily basis the press is bad enough.

 

[cheekybids]

This cannot be allowed to continue for much longer surely? It’s fucking draining. I get all that stuff about being the bigger person and not taking it on but that’s fine when money and distance insulates you from the worst of it. When you’re a fan even a well informed one it’s gruelling taking on the media, dickwads, and all comers who are half insane with jealousy. If this was a criminal case they would have had to lay charges and be satisfied we would get a fair hearing.. I am not sure that’s even possible. Anyway sorry I am just fucking sick of it, it’s inescapable, unfair and frankly everywhere. I don’t do much social media, don’t go out to work god bless blues who have to face fucking know-nowts, and spittle-flecked shouters On a daily basis the press is bad enough.

I started getting messages from an Arsenal fan last week calling us cheats & by Sunday even more. Our kids played football together years ago…..

He was sending lunatic videos, Abu Dhabi ref conspiracy & the rest. I told him it’s all true but noone will do a thing so don’t get your hopes up for next season ;)

 

[eastmanc]

Who the fuck is magic hat? Is he a member on Bluemoon?

 

[KS55]

I am going to change my user name. Having read the post from @petrusha my name will now be sesquipedalian blue and I shall post verbose and puffed up nonsense. Oh, what do you mean you already do?

 

[blue b4 the moon]

I seem to remember DS released a second batch straight after the CAS decision.

Maybe they have others held back. But why delay releasing them, if their plan all along was to bring us down. Doesnt really make sense.

They know there's fuck all in them but it keeps the cheats narrative going?

 

[blue b4 the moon]

With regards to Magic Hat - I wonder if he's in the Magic Circle or if he owns a Hat? Trade descriptions? Emails and slide shows don't equate to proof as far as I am aware - surely the incriminating evidence, if there is any, will be in the actual accounts e.g. payables and receivables and then the actual transactions.

I would suggest @rhymingslang

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Been wondering over the past few days who Magic Hat is. Had a whiff of somebody funding it ( similar to the Piers Morgan thing a few months back ).

Not sure who the exposed Harris last week but the are a few dots to join - was formerly named Santismagic - which is a transposed letter away from Saints magic and Harris is a Southampton fan.

Also telling that it latched on to paranoid Arsenal fans once they were in a title race with City - changed name to remove the Southampton link - but very telling for a supposed Arsenal fan account that hardly follows another Arsenal fan on Twitter.

I’m sure there are people that can link it much better than me though.

Rubbish man, post a video!!!!


;)

 

[r.soleofsalford]

I would suggest @rhymingslang

What a back to front.

 

[Judge Roughneck]

This cannot be allowed to continue for much longer surely? It’s fucking draining. I get all that stuff about being the bigger person and not taking it on but that’s fine when money and distance insulates you from the worst of it. When you’re a fan even a well informed one it’s gruelling taking on the media, dickwads, and all comers who are half insane with jealousy. If this was a criminal case they would have had to lay charges and be satisfied we would get a fair hearing.. I am not sure that’s even possible. Anyway sorry I am just fucking sick of it, it’s inescapable, unfair and frankly everywhere. I don’t do much social media, don’t go out to work god bless blues who have to face fucking know-nowts, and spittle-flecked shouters On a daily basis the press is bad enough.

Using that recent Times article by Syed as an example. He's entitled to use journalistic licence to ask the questions of City's guilt (even if there's an obvious seam of sarcastic bias that runs through the whole piece).
Much in the same way that a barrister would do when attacking the testimony of a witness. It's very hard for the club to counter that in the public domain before the hearing without seeming to 'doth protest too much'. He can't be given a Cand D warning because Syed would just publicly shrug and state that he is merely asking the questions.
The time when City will be able to come down hard on them all is once innocence has been unequivocally proven, because then questioning our integrity will have a very libellous optic to it. I suspect it won't happen much, because of that very reason and we'll just be left with the no nowt Internet gobshites who don't matter, who we can all just take the piss out of.
I agree, that it is becoming really tiresome and needs settling once and for all, ASAP.
Then they can all move onto Chelsea and our club can get on with the job of getting even better.

 

[urban genie]

wrap it up in the summer, find us guilty in an Al Capone way (so it doesn't affect our title wins) relegate us to division 2, then Pep signs an extention of 2 years and we have 3 keeganesque romps back to the prem.

or we win, no one accepts it fully, claims we bribed the FA, we are called cheats despite it being evidently untrue, life carries on as is 115 hashtag goes back to empty seats or such.

 

[give it to gordon]

Odd isn't it how a club can

Fail UEFA ffp and be fined
Can be half a billion in debt.
Can have stadium passed fit for purpose, yet it falling down.
Can employ someone with a dodge past in doping from cycling.
Is being investigated by the taxman.
Is registered in the tax haven
Doesn't pay uk taxes

Yet this club sales through the pl ffp.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I started getting messages from an Arsenal fan last week calling us cheats & by Sunday even more. Our kids played football together years ago…..

He was sending lunatic videos, Abu Dhabi ref conspiracy & the rest. I told him it’s all true but noone will do a thing so don’t get your hopes up for next season ;)

Block him, simples.

 

[Plays By Sense Of Smell]

Who the fuck is magic hat? Is he a member on Bluemoon?

It's a fairly obvious reference to a line from a rag song about roy keane in which he wears a magic hat.
Small wonder the poster harbours such biased vitriol towards us.