PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Stephen.spcostman.co.uk said:
I know where your coming from but I want our acheivements to be admired by all, not sullied.
I want others to remember the Pep era as a great pure football acheivement and I want to look back with pride. I can't do that currently.
We lost all admiration from other fans as soon as the charges landed and we've, the club, done nothing to arrest back control of the situation since then.
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28 messages in 4 years! Hi Matthew!
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
28 messages in 4 years! Hi Matthew!
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Have you noticed an influx of rags on here since Saturday since expensive Wigan athletic pulled off a giant killing act. Absolute fucking weirdos who will be crying about how shit everything is at the swamp by October.
 
domalino said:
The managers, pundits and players are just fans at the end of the day - they’re reading the twitter threads and listening to the podcasts and reading the papers too.
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Klopp should know better.
He always played that Dipper game.
Pretending to care while subtly getting the victim card in, as to why he is not the greatest.

It lacks class. Some managers just say they wouldn’t comment on such things. Let the law take its course.
 
bridgeno1 said:
Ok I'll explain why I think 20 points is a likely outcome. It's a penalty that is severe enough to be significant (and outweigh the penalties given to Forest and Everton, meaning fans of other clubs can shut up about City not having to take their medicine) whilst simultaneously not actually affecting City that much as with a 20 point deduction they are likely to still qualify for the CL etc.

My hypothesis is based on how businesses operate. Also regarding guilt or otherwise - there are shades of grey always when it comes to legal proceedings and even if you know you are totally innocent there's always the fear that the court/jury etc don't see it that way - maybe the opposition lawyer spins a great story, maybe there's inherent bias on the part of the jury etc.

Which is why I think they won't want to risk it. They'll take a penalty 'in the interests of putting the matter to bed' whilst simultaneously maintaining innocence and stating dissatisfaction with the whole process, both sides move on, and in a couple of years the City fans sit back with popcorn watching Chelsea get bent over a desk by the PL before they go in dry.

All opinion, probably worth fuck all, I've absolutely zero inside info etc.
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Ok thanks for the reply. And I thought that.

As City fans we are not only aware of the charges and how they have been brought about, we are also aware of what the charges are. We have financial legal experts on here who give us the background, people who have worked for the club scratching their heads at why the PL have attempted this. In effect shooting themselves in the foot.
None of that comes out in the newspapers and twitter, thats all full of biased hate for a club that is winning their trophies. It is in effect a pile on with those guys. The reality is VERY different than what you read from those outlets. Extremely different is what I would say.

So you put them two things together (IE no case on the face of it) and the impact to Citys image from laying the charges, and you get the result which is to just drag City's name through the mud. Its political, it is designed to do exactly what has happened..... You lot expecting relegation and trophies taken off us, because it is 115 charges. 115! (Its actually 5)
 
dickie davies said:
Actually, it is true
Friends of ours emigrated to Australia around 20 years ago
My daughter (27 years old) posted pics on Instagram of us at the parade and the Dad commented back something along the lines of "what are you celebrating for? You've got 115 charges to face"

He's not stupid. He works as a regional manager for one of the largest banks in Australia and is a lifetime Ipswich supporter
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To which the reply is: I’ll stop celebrating if we are found guilty.
 
bridgeno1 said:
It doesn't assume guilt at all. It assumes both parties wanting to end the process quickly and cutting a deal to do so.
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It does not. But your paragraph explaining that contrary to popular opinion, City were in fact guilty at Uefa, does.

That there is the key jenga block propping the rest of your wee wobbly tower up. You've just kicked it away, the rest can only now fall apart, grapple helplessly as you may.
 
I’ve heard the 20 points rumour from a completely independent source, a corporate lawyer, not practicing in sport. He was at a social in London where a lawyer who has represented other PL clubs and PL players was talking after a few glasses of truth serum had been consumed. He said the PL offered a £50m fine plus 20 point deduction because the IC is completely overwhelmed by the volume and strength of City’s written submissions to the Panel. The offer got the response it deserved. Simon Jordan and Nick Harris are now saying a settlement is on the cards. Sounds like the PL are on the run, they have absolutely botched this and Masters will probably resign first, during the summer. The PL are banking on the constant negative PR forcing City into a settlement, Khaldoon said never again and he meant it. We have taken this shite for years now, we collectively must not buckle one iota. Keep fighting Blues !
 
This is nothing to do with what the resident Arsenal fan is posting but as a point of principle I would stop match going after over 60 years if the club took any sort of punishment by agreement. They have to fight it until the end regardless of any perceived risks.

I'd rather watch us in the North West Counties League having fought to the bitter end rather than the club accepting even a two point penalty.
 
LeonardoDaVnci said:
I’ve heard the 20 points rumour from a completely independent source, a corporate lawyer, not practicing in sport. He was at a social in London where a lawyer who has represented other PL clubs and PL players was talking after a few glasses of truth serum had been consumed. He said the PL offered a £50m fine plus 20 point deduction because the IC is completely overwhelmed by the volume and strength of City’s written submissions to the Panel. The offer got the response it deserved. Simon Jordan and Nick Harris are now saying a settlement is on the cards. Sounds like the PL are on the run, they have absolutely botched this and Masters will probably resign first, during the summer. The PL are banking on the constant negative PR forcing City into a settlement, Khaldoon said never again and he meant it. We have taken this shite for years now, we collectively must not buckle one iota. Keep fighting Blues !
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You spoke to that lawyer? Face to face?
 
BlueAnorak said:
Well yes Masters is trying to do a deal - but the rumour at our end is very definately that, as there is no actual evidence, just the equivalent of hearsay, that City have told Masters to shove the deal up where the sun doesn't shine.
You only need to look at the confidence of various City board members when interviewed that the PL case is in deep, deep trouble.
6 emails taken out-of-context from over 3 million does NOT a strong legal case make.
One has to wonder why Masters and the PL brought the maximum possible charges forward?
The answer, of course, is they were forced to by the Cartel clubs that run English football.
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It is worth remembering that Ceferin offered a deal from UEFA, not once but twice. City sent him away with a flea in his ear. We were innocent and refused to ‘take a pinch’.
 
Gazza said:
You assume a 20 point deduction & you also assume that we could make that back up and still qualify for the CL, what you've not allowed for in this assumption is how the manager & players will take the punishment after being lied to about our innocence.
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Or how the fans would take that. See for example the post above.

Which I mostly agree with for the record, all or nothing for me.
 
Coatigan said:
That's it, right there.

I don't have any issue with musings on the concept of 'a deal'. Some blues have at times suggested similar. Or speculating the number of points deducted, or even assuming we are fucked, or guilty, and would accept a slap on the wrist significant enough to please others, just to move on. I don't agree, but I have no issue with it, it is fair game.

But that reveal, of 'we all know you are guilty and got away with it once', by misrepresenting the uefa case, that's irretrievable now. The genie is out the bottle, and it ain't going back in. The rest really is now completely meaningless.

As I said previously, you have to be either a complete moron, or have an agenda, to have that 'take' on it. I had maybe been giving him more credit assuming it is just the agenda, but the more he says the more I am beginning to think it is maybe a bit of both.
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Funny how he is not responding to any of that but happy to drone on about point deductions .
 
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