City launch legal action against the Premier League | Club & PL reach settlement | Proceedings dropped (p1147)

supercity88 said:
Thanks mate, that helps. I wrongly tried to chew through things myself and ended up down a tangent and confused.

It's bizarre that Murphy actually seems to get it and rightly comes to the conclusion that this is a mountain out of the molehill. Anything anti-City sells, so it's no surprise we've seen selective quoting from our submission that adds to the drama. Ultimately if the rules are unlawful then quite correctly they'll have to go back to the drawing board. But what will happen is a new rule will be introduced that is lawful. That law will be quite similar, but the club will be aiming for a lawful version to have to remove the elements they're not content with.

The wider parts on the 14 club majority - well we'll have to see how much weight we've put on those. I'd imagine we've just thrown everything we can into the mix. The arbitrators will provide their position so what it does do is flush out any future legal case we may or may not pursue. If the arbitrators dismiss some of our claims outright we know it's not worth exploring further in the future.

Why so many journalists are suggesting this blows up the PL as we know it is a joke. It's one rule from what we know, and it just gets passed under different wording at a time in the future realistically. It doesn't mean all rules are out of the window. There's as much logic to that allegation as there would be in saying win this and we will field a team of 115 players and they can use their hands. That's a club statement I'd like to see.
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The papers certainly don't help, but it certainly is no battle for the soul of football many seem to have got hooked on. Agree re Danny Murphy, offered something, and drew reasonable conclusions to what was said. As opposed to trying to counter everything with innuendo and just plain wrong but provocative proclamations. They should consider replacing Simon Jordan with him more often.
 
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StillBluessinceHydeRoad said:
I have just listened to Stefan on Talk**** this morning and was interested in his comments on the club's attitude to the PL voting system on new rules. Could someone provide me with the voting figures for the adoption of the ATP rule, please. I believe it was 12 in favour, 6 against and two abstentions. This is important because only 60% of the clubs voted in favour if I'm right (only 60% of the PL membership). Only if the two abstentions are counted as voting in favour (which they clearly didn't!) can those in favour be said to have reached the 70% required. Stefan never mentioned this and yet it could explain what is seen as our club's attack on a democratic process - that is that the club have no problem with the process which is sound (unless it votes to introduce something which is unlawful!) but that, in this case the process was not followed and the ATP rule was not introduced at all because those in favour did not reach the required threshold. It's introduction, therefore, reflected "the tyranny of the majority" and not a properly enacted rule. Am I right or are my figures not correct?
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I think you’re very much correct. And is exactly the reason the full context of the leaked document hasn’t been revealed. We know, all to well, exactly how out of context snippets can be portrayed to make sensational headlines. The full context wouldn’t allow that to happen so easily and the portrayal of ‘scandal’ isn’t much of a scandal anymore. Click bait headlines for a click bait world.
 
KS55 said:
Grumbling about City attacking democracy is way off beam. Your commercial rivals don’t vote democratically, they vote to bolster their own position. An independent regulator would be a completely different matter.
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Democracy or not, there should be someone only presenting things to the clubs for a vote that, first, are clearly legal and, second, are for the benefit of the league as a whole.

Can you imagine what a mess any country would be in if the population voted on everything themselves. The PL needs to have someone who says no, not that and not now. Then they can vote.

The lunatics are running the asylum at the minute.
 
IrishBlueSince92 said:
Never mind all this talk of good guys and bad guys, its very hard to imagine that we're totally innocent of everything, to be perfectly honest.

So what's the end game here, if we do win the case and take the Premier League down as many City fans are calling
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It'd be nice if you defended City with the same vigour that you defend your other team. Blue my arse.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
The only thing I’m somewhat confused about is that I understand that we abstained on the original vote. Had we voted against, it wouldn’t have gone through so, why didn’t we?
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City didn’t vote because voting yes or no is the club endorsing that the vote and its subject was legal. Hence why the club is challenging.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Isn't that story about player protection from burn out, or am I being too naiev ?
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Sorry probably not the best link to post. But remember this is the Premier League that schedule matches two days apart and Uefa with its expanded Champions League and pointless internationals during the season, that is now worried about player welfare. My point is surely this is down to the Club involved in consultation with the players. If it came to a vote of Premier League Clubs (to boycott) how do you think the vote would go. Do you think that is a reasonable system.
 
Cellarite said:
It'd be nice if you defended City with the same vigour that you defend your other team. Blue my arse.
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Been defending them relentlessly on other forums for over a decade now

No real need to have to defend City on here. As has been proven here, if you question anything, even play devils advocate in order to get a few answers, the name calling starts
 
Interestingly Lord Pannick is an Arsenal fan. Smart move on City's part that I'd say, for what it represents having a non-City fan lead their case against the PL.
 
According to the Daily Fail, City winning would open the door for PL games to be played in America.

More bullshit from the Rag infested football media to turn even more football fans against City.

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Coatigan said:
The papers certainly don't help, but it certainly is no battle for the soul of football many seem to have got hooked on. Agree re Danny Murphy, offered something, and drew reasonable conclusions to what was said. As opposed to trying to counter everything with innuendo and just plain wrong but provocative proclamations. They should consider replacing Simon Jordan with him more often.
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He is often on with Jordan and White. They mix it up generally on that show but there's normally a 3rd to ensure people don't get Jordan spouting shite for 3 hours.

Jordan's calmed his position on the charges, although he still thinks we have a case to answer - which is inarguable considering we've been charged, but he means it in a more suspicious manner.

On this he's clearly thrown his toys out of the pram. But if the rule is unlawful and proven so, you can't really argue City have done anything wrong, and when all that happens is an amended version of the rule is voted on everything calms down immeasurably.

If we are to lose, then we'll get a lot of dirt but if we go on to defeat the charges then I look forward to seeing how people justify their opinion that we have better lawyers or the PL are corrupt and bottled it. Ultimately the fact people think there's a bunch of De Bruyne level KC's working for us and a team of Anthony's working for the PL is laughable. Even Jordan has suggested we can throw limitless resources at is whereas they can't despite the fact they started all of this!
 
jrb said:
According yo the Daily Fail, City winning would open the door for PL games to be played in America. More bullshit from the Rag infested football media to turn even more fabs against City.

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That's fucking madness!!! I'd expect that in the Liverpool Echo. We're closer to games in the US if City lose than if we win - we're literally taking on the American owners. Bloody hell.
 
joeyh123 said:
you don't think people who make money by bringing legal action wouldn't advise bringing legal action?

I don't know enough about this either way to make a comment on if this is good or bad only what i have read in here and on articles. But that above is a weird comment. Ever been to a chiropractor they advise on their services to fix unfixable problems :D :D

On a seperate note can someone lay it out clear to me how this legal action from city will help us against the 115 charges?
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It has no baring on the 115 in my opinion.

One is an alleged breach of a variety of financial rules.

The other is us arguing part of the regulations are anti-competitive.
 
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