President Trump

gordondaviesmoustache said:
Whatever people might think about Trump, and personally I think the world would be a discernibly better and safer place without him, anyone thinking his assassination would have done anything other than to make matters even worse and divided in the US is wrong. And there would also almost certainly be severe consequences for the wider world following that.

History has shown us previously that political assassinations can unleash forces that cannot be contained or predicted.
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Inch the other way we’re looking at civil war now

It’s a tinder box
 
Palerider said:
Politics has become utterly toxic and you have to worry for democracy. Whatever happened to just debating and then adding up the votes?
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politics has always been toxic from the magna carta to the boston tea party, boxer revolution, charles taylor and khmer rouge etc.

politics isn't just puttimg an X in a box and even that doesn't bring the true will of the people just a facade of democracy where none really has existed for 2 milenia bar maybe switzerland
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
I agree. Imagine the chaos it would have caused. I’d imagine there would be a huge increase in violence and people basically out for revenge. It would also mean politicians scared of speaking in public.

Posters on here saying it would be better if he was assassinated are living in another reality.
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It used to be loopy right wingers doing and applauding killing now we have the loopy left wingers joining them. Sick fuckers the lot of them. Thank God for Starmer.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
There were clearly bad people on both sides. That's what we're supposed to say after a bout of political violence, isn't it?
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"There were very fine people on both sides, & I'm not talking about the Neo-nazis and white supremacists because they should be condemned totally."

On the other hand, Biden said this about Obama "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy." Not to mention his "schools are racial jungles" comments and many other. I am not even saying recently.

The point is, one gets (rightfully) called out for his moronic comments, and the other one gets away with it. For me, both are awful candidates, but one gets a pass. it's like the Jan 6th comments. Trump said "peacefully and patriotically" in his speech, but that part doesn't get mentioned. He objected elections like a moron, sure, but so did Hillary Clinton. He is not the first one. Was he responsible for the chaos? Sure, but just a year before the capitol was also under attack when protestors were throwing rocks at secret service agents, trying to enter and go past the barricade, and Trump had to be evacuated. Mainstream media didn't seem to care. This, or when BLM protests turned violent with people killed, cities burned down. When Obama was president, he declared war on cops as well with some irresponsible comments and "incited" violence that killed cops/made them a target on various occasions.

My point being, politicians are idiots, all of them. You don't end up being so high up in the political ladder if you are not a narcissistic asshole is some way. Donald is not special. None of them are. That's just my opinion. There is no "right and wrong" in politics these days. Just a lot of wrong, for the most part.
 
The statements from Obama, Bush and Biden show the kind of dignity and de-escalating tone that I would expect of Presidents. Pelosi has even come out condemning the violence, despite the fact Trump didn't do any such thing when her family was attacked - instead choosing to mock her severely injured elderly husband ("both sides" - sure).

Meanwhile, some leading Republicans have decided to escalate the tone, J.D. Vance, Steve Scalise, Marjory Taylor Greene, all immediately on social media to blame the shooter's actions on Democrats and tell people to "fight" etc.

It's only going to get worse from here. The risk of copy-cat or revenge attacks has now ratcheted higher and everybody will be on high alert.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:


Sums it up for me. Violence in politics should always be condemned.

Perhaps it’s a perfect example of Jamie Vardy’s first law of communication though.
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Trump is an idiot for it, but it doesn't mean this should be the standard. We need to be the change we want to see. Again, Democrats are equally as bad for it:

“Let’s make sure we show up wherever we have to show up. And if you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. And you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere. We’ve got to get the children connected to their parents,” Waters said at the Wilshire Federal Building.

I can't believe people actually vote for either party. There has to be a better alternative out there.
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
The statements from Obama, Bush and Biden show the kind of dignity and de-escalating tone that I would expect of Presidents. Pelosi has even come out condemning the violence, despite the fact Trump didn't do any such thing when her family was attacked - instead choosing to mock her severely injured elderly husband ("both sides" - sure).

Meanwhile, some leading Republicans have decided to escalate the tone, J.D. Vance, Steve Scalise, Marjory Taylor Greene, all immediately on social media to blame the shooter's actions on Democrats and tell people to "fight" etc.

It's only going to get worse from here. The risk of copy-cat or revenge attacks has now ratcheted higher and everybody will be on high alert.
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Brilliant post. Sadly the aftermath from the respective parties has been predictable.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
I agree. Imagine the chaos it would have caused. I’d imagine there would be a huge increase in violence and people basically out for revenge. It would also mean politicians scared of speaking in public.

Posters on here saying it would be better if he was assassinated are living in another reality.
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We’ve had four presidents assassinated, numerous other attempts, candidates killed, prominent social advocates murdered and there was chaos but the Republic held together. Politicians aren’t ever going to be afraid to speak in public — people that are don’t go into politics. And lest we forget given the idiot gun/ woe-is-me, angry-at-the-world, I’ll-show-them, blaze-of-glory/limited mental healthcare culture that exists here, we are all at risk of getting shot when we go out for a fucking cup of coffee. But, yeah, two wrongs don’t make a right and while they might be right that the world is better off without him, no ethical human should suggest that him being murdered is an okay outcome.
 
bluemc1 said:
Inch the other way we’re looking at civil war now

It’s a tinder box
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I think the inevital break up of the states is maybe 80-100 years away, no land mass that size has successfully stayed a cohesive and functioning nation for more than a couple of centuries before something or someone has caused fractures in society and eventual partition or independance movements
 
urban genie said:
I think the inevital break up of the states is maybe 80-100 years away, no land mass that size has successfully stayed a cohesive and functioning nation for more than a couple of centuries before something or someone has caused fractures in society and eventual partition or independance movements
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Have posited the same previously mate.
 
As always, I shake my head at the number of people who seem to think they understand a culture of a nation they don’t live in, and have never been to. But they have the internet, so they have a “right” (and apparently they think the experience) to express their “views.”

You want to know what I think is wrong with the world? An epidemic of chronic-lack-of-judgment-before-one-expresses-an-opinion disease.
 
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Blue and true said:
He's a scumbag. There it is again, in full technicolor. Contrast this to the reaction from democrats this morning.
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Correct
Haaland94 said:
Again, Democrats are equally as bad for it
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Where’s the evidence of this? So far every senior democrat politician has unambiguously condemned the assassination attempt. There’s no comparison.
 
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