Southport | 9 year old girl confirmed as third victim

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Drewmanc said:
I apologise for calling him a refugee, he's as British as you or I then. I've never been affected by the far right and they've certainly never made me change plans, these incidents this week possibly are going to.
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I am a bit confused as to why you now have to apologise for calling someone a refugee. Is that now classified as a racist term. I have not read every post but I heard on the news he came over from Rwanda with his parents when he was 6. They did not announce the correct political terminology as to why they came as they probably thought it was not as big an issue as some on here clearly do. If they were not refugees were they economic migrants and given settled status. Are we allowed to use the term migrant or is that also derogatory.
 
halfmist said:
I am a bit confused as to why you now have to apologise for calling someone a refugee. Is that now classified as a racist term. I have not read every post but I heard on the news he came over from Rwanda with his parents when he was 6. They did not announce the correct political terminology as to why they came as they probably thought it was not as big an issue as some on here clearly do. If they were not refugees were they economic migrants and given settled status. Are we allowed to use the term migrant or is that also derogatory.
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I apologised as I'd obviously mislabelled him, which in today's world seems a terrible thing to do. Like I said yesterday we must skirt around subjects as to not offend.
 
M18CTID said:
According to some, Merseyside Police are lying and covering up that he's a Muslim terrorist, and an illegal immigrant at that. I mean, when the Manchester Arena bombing happened and the 7/7 attacks took place in London in 2005, the police proper covered up the background of the perpetrators to make it look like they weren't Islamic terrorists. Oh wait....
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What amazed me yesterday was the the fact the Police were tight lipped about the whole thing for a good part of the day other than within about 5 minutes of arriving they were quite confident to announce they thought it was not a terrorist incident.
 
halfmist said:
What amazed me yesterday was the the fact the Police were tight lipped about the whole thing for a good part of the day other than within about 5 minutes of arriving they were quite confident to announce they thought it was not a terrorist incident.
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I'm on a loop here

Their words were 'not at this time'...is that difficult to grasp? Its not some underlying agenda. Give them a chance to investigate.

And they aren't 'tight lipped'-they dont give a running commentary to the public they will tell the public what they need to know.
 
halfmist said:
I am a bit confused as to why you now have to apologise for calling someone a refugee. Is that now classified as a racist term. I have not read every post but I heard on the news he came over from Rwanda with his parents when he was 6. They did not announce the correct political terminology as to why they came as they probably thought it was not as big an issue as some on here clearly do. If they were not refugees were they economic migrants and given settled status. Are we allowed to use the term migrant or is that also derogatory.
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The terms get deliberately muddled usually by the open borders brigade. Many of those arriving in Lorries and boats are not refugees in the accepted sense. Certain people are also now using the phrase “climate refugees” which could be stretched to cover almost anyone. Rich Western Countries have a massive problem on their hands and seem to have no idea what to do beyond kicking the can down the road and hoping for the best. In the UK the last Government was fucking useless and a big part of the problem, but on this issue I fear this Government will be even worse. We’re going to hell in a handcart but lots choose to deny it’s even happening.
 
halfmist said:
I am a bit confused as to why you now have to apologise for calling someone a refugee. Is that now classified as a racist term. I have not read every post but I heard on the news he came over from Rwanda with his parents when he was 6. They did not announce the correct political terminology as to why they came as they probably thought it was not as big an issue as some on here clearly do. If they were not refugees were they economic migrants and given settled status. Are we allowed to use the term migrant or is that also derogatory.
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But isn't it confirmed he was born in Cardiff and moved to the Stockport area at 6? - His parents are from Rwanda, but by all accounts he was born in the UK. So he is not a migrant. I'm the first generation of my family born in the UK too, I'm not a migrant.

If these are the facts then I don't think migration is really a big talking point in this case. Makes about as much sense as blaming the Welsh because he was born in Cardiff.

Who knows what his reason was. Obviously he's an evil ****. Is he just a lad with a screw loose? Was he radicalised by people? We don't really know yet but I don't think migration should be the focal point of this when it seems he was born and raised in the UK, just because his parents were from somewhere else.

There's certainly conversations needed about migration but it's not at all linked to this tragedy.
 
bert38 said:
I'm on a loop here

Their words were 'not at this time'...is that difficult to grasp? Its not some underlying agenda. Give them a chance to investigate.

And they aren't 'tight lipped'-they dont give a running commentary to the public they will tell the public what they need to know.
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I think you may be missing the point. The point I am making is the fact they are prepared to make a statement to that effect and nothing else, so early on in the investigation when they are not in possession of the full facts when they are not prepared to comment on anything else. The irony is those posters on here who are happy to jump down the throats of anyone who even mentions the word terrorism when discussing this tragic case.
 
Almost too heartbroken to actually talk about the poor girls.

Some of the people on this thread need to seriously think about how they acquire information during a fast moving tragedy. Some of the media literacy and willingness to believe some of the worst far right shit stirrers on the internet with zero confirmation was quite worrying to see.
 
bert38 said:
I'm on a loop here

Their words were 'not at this time'...is that difficult to grasp? Its not some underlying agenda. Give them a chance to investigate.

And they aren't 'tight lipped'-they dont give a running commentary to the public they will tell the public what they need to know.
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I think you may be missing the point. The point I am making is the fact they are prepared to make a statement to that effect on that and nothing else, so early on in the investigation when they are not in possession of the full facts when they are not prepared
Crooked_rain said:
But isn't it confirmed he was born in Cardiff and moved to the Stockport area at 6? - His parents are from Rwanda, but by all accounts he was born in the UK. So he is not a migrant. I'm the first generation of my family born in the UK too, I'm not a migrant.

If these are the facts then I don't think migration is really a big talking point in this case. Makes about as much sense as blaming the Welsh because he was born in Cardiff.

Who knows what his reason was. Obviously he's an evil ****. Is he just a lad with a screw loose? Was he radicalised by people? We don't really know yet but I don't think migration should be the focal point of this when it seems he was born and raised in the UK, just because his parents were from somewhere else.

There's certainly conversations needed about migration but it's not at all linked to this tragedy.
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Well you need to contact the BBC as they were saying this morning that he was born in Rwanda and came to the UK when he was 6. It is not something that I just made up .
 
halfmist said:
I think you may be missing the point. The point I am making is the fact they are prepared to make a statement to that effect and nothing else, so early on in the investigation when they are not in possession of the full facts when they are not prepared to comment on anything else. The irony is those posters on here who are happy to jump down the throats of anyone who even mentions the word terrorism when discussing this tragic case.
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What else do you want them to comment on / reveal?
 
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