Should All Democratic Societies Have a Minister for Men's Behaviour...

Complicated issue but I generally see it as a positive that men are being held responsible for their actions. Not sure this will have much impact on abusers though as in my (limited) experience most abusers are adept at making someone else responsible for their actions - she made me do it!

Also speaking very, very, very generically the solutions aren't typically made for the people with the problem. Talking it out and therapy can be very frustrating for a lot of men who struggle to put their feelings into words. Also some women are pretty annoying (not to justify smacking them around though). My point being sometimes you have to fix the man sometimes you have to fix the relationship.

We also now live in a society that either emasculates men or holds them to a super high standard of success. There is not space in the middle for the ordinary guy who isn't going to be a CEO but who also isn't going to keep a cry journal. The average guy that works hard to provide for his family and enjoys a beer is left feeling under appreciated or not good enough. They will often be told or feel that they are unattractive to women.

There is also the uncomfortable truth that sometimes "violence" is just the response you'll get from a man. I'm not a violent man but i've lost count of the amount of times I wanted to slap some sense into my son (he's bigger than me now so i wouldn't try and it would ultimately be self defeating). I'm also told by my wife that i'm sometimes being aggressive and intimidating because i'll get a bit loud and cut people off when having a discussion about something I'm passionate about. I don't feel aggressive in those moments - i'm just expressing myself "violently". It's possible I'm being too open here and that is a fear a lot of men have in my experience. We aren't always rewarded for honesty

Finally no minister will have much impact unless they have powers to curb porn and red pilling in my opinion.
 
mrbelfry said:
Complicated issue but I generally see it as a positive that men are being held responsible for their actions. Not sure this will have much impact on abusers though as in my (limited) experience most abusers are adept at making someone else responsible for their actions - she made me do it!

Also speaking very, very, very generically the solutions aren't typically made for the people with the problem. Talking it out and therapy can be very frustrating for a lot of men who struggle to put their feelings into words. Also some women are pretty annoying (not to justify smacking them around though). My point being sometimes you have to fix the man sometimes you have to fix the relationship.

We also now live in a society that either emasculates men or holds them to a super high standard of success. There is not space in the middle for the ordinary guy who isn't going to be a CEO but who also isn't going to keep a cry journal. The average guy that works hard to provide for his family and enjoys a beer is left feeling under appreciated or not good enough. They will often be told or feel that they are unattractive to women.

There is also the uncomfortable truth that sometimes "violence" is just the response you'll get from a man. I'm not a violent man but i've lost count of the amount of times I wanted to slap some sense into my son (he's bigger than me now so i wouldn't try and it would ultimately be self defeating). I'm also told by my wife that i'm sometimes being aggressive and intimidating because i'll get a bit loud and cut people off when having a discussion about something I'm passionate about. I don't feel aggressive in those moments - i'm just expressing myself "violently". It's possible I'm being too open here and that is a fear a lot of men have in my experience. We aren't always rewarded for honesty

Finally no minister will have much impact unless they have powers to curb porn and red pilling in my opinion.
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Great post mate.
 
mrbelfry said:
We also now live in a society that either emasculates men or holds them to a super high standard of success. There is not space in the middle for the ordinary guy who isn't going to be a CEO but who also isn't going to keep a cry journal. The average guy that works hard to provide for his family and enjoys a beer is left feeling under appreciated or not good enough. They will often be told or feel that they are unattractive to women.
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Society doesn't diminish men or demand unattainable levels of success from them. Instead, it's beginning to expect higher behavioral and moral standards from us (and let's face it, we’ve got a lot of room for improvement).

As an average guy who works hard for his family and enjoys a beer, I always feel valued and believe that I am enough. Are you speaking about men in general here, or is this more about your personal experience?

mrbelfry said:
There is also the uncomfortable truth that sometimes "violence" is just the response you'll get from a man.
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The uncomfortable truth here is that violence is the response you'll get from violent men.

If others have mentioned that your arguments come across as aggressive or intimidating, it's worth taking a moment to reflect on that. Many of us have experienced heated arguments with family, friends, or coworkers, where, in the heat of the moment, our behaviour seemed normal, even justified. However, upon reflection, we realise how it could have been perceived differently by others.

If you're expressing yourself in a violent manner, it's a serious issue that needs to be addressed.

Openness is both healthy and beneficial. Many men, particularly older ones, struggle with the fear of vulnerability, something the younger generation is generally better at handling. It's important to understand that this fear is normal, and there is always support available, whether through a friend, family member, or even a stranger on an online forum.
 
Modern perceptions of a man's role have changed from the previous generations.
A man is expected to be more family orientated and sensitive to the needs of his immediate family.
My dad was nothing like this. I am halfway there, but this change caught me betwixt and between.
You don't need a minister for men being dicks. You need a better education system and less objectification of women.
Rules that are already in place must be tightened.
 
ROCKET80 said:
Society doesn't diminish men or demand unattainable levels of success from them. Instead, it's beginning to expect higher behavioral and moral standards from us (and let's face it, we’ve got a lot of room for improvement).

As an average guy who works hard for his family and enjoys a beer, I always feel valued and believe that I am enough. Are you speaking about men in general here, or is this more about your personal experience?


The uncomfortable truth here is that violence is the response you'll get from violent men.

If others have mentioned that your arguments come across as aggressive or intimidating, it's worth taking a moment to reflect on that. Many of us have experienced heated arguments with family, friends, or coworkers, where, in the heat of the moment, our behaviour seemed normal, even justified. However, upon reflection, we realise how it could have been perceived differently by others.

If you're expressing yourself in a violent manner, it's a serious issue that needs to be addressed.

Openness is both healthy and beneficial. Many men, particularly older ones, struggle with the fear of vulnerability, something the younger generation is generally better at handling. It's important to understand that this fear is normal, and there is always support available, whether through a friend, family member, or even a stranger on an online forum.
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Let me ask you a question; should domestic violence be treated exactly the same between relationships regardless of whom is the aggressor or as a tier system...??
 
PinkFinal said:
www.theguardian.com

Killed women count: 50 women allegedly killed by men in UK so far in 2024

Throughout the year the Guardian aims to report on every woman whose death has led to a man being charged
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

I read that most murders are carried out by low status people, as if their violence is an outward display of self-hatred,
For me it just confirms my belief that those who have lost in this brutal rat race should be able to opt for voluntary assisted euthanasia so that they don't have to throw themselves in front of trains for example.
I know I need to curb the doom scrolling but it's hard to see the 21st century as anything other than a finely tuned hell. Everywhere is so broken. The price for not being alpha enough is total humiliation.
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Every generation since the Greeks has thought things were going to Hell, yet here we are…still going to Hell!
 
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