PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[mancboy]

The rags.

Arent you an accountant? Technically youve never ' worked' for anyone ;)

 

[manimanc]

Been out with a load of scousers from work tonight.. mix of red and blue.. and being fair the more rational variety

Their opinion is that there’s too many ‘charges’ for something not to stick. We’ll get done for something leaning towards the more minor charges but it will be no more than a fine or maybe a transfer ban for 1 or 2 windows

We'll get done for fuckall mate as we haven't done anything wrong apart from run a club to the best of it's abilities.

 

[mancboy]

We'll get done for fuckall mate as we haven't done anything wrong apart from run a club to the best of it's abilities.

First mistake was being friendrg with scousers?

 

[MMA]

Has there been any updates today?

Get your seagull hanging from the rafters , inflated bananas
and your old laser blue kappa kit ready.
Keegan is coming back and you might spot Bernardo and Kevin getting pissed in town.
We're going to the second division.
Happy days.

 

[chaddblue]

We'll get done for fuckall mate as we haven't done anything wrong apart from run a club to the best of it's abilities.

I don’t disagree.. I just found it interesting how non city fans .. but not the Twitter bellends see this panning out

 

[mancboy]

I don’t disagree.. I just found it interesting how non city fans .. but not the Twitter bellends see this panning out

The none co operation ones are interesting, i do think that the pl have massively overstepped their remit in terms of asking for info from sources they were never going to get it from and that they werent entitled to have, i also think their leaks to the press make a fairly compelling case for them not acting in good faith with the info, not to mention their handling of issues with other red top clubs.

 

[Stoned Rose]

Been out with a load of scousers from work tonight.. mix of red and blue.. and being fair the more rational variety

Their opinion is that there’s too many ‘charges’ for something not to stick. We’ll get done for something leaning towards the more minor charges but it will be no more than a fine or maybe a transfer ban for 1 or 2 windows

The dickheads are going to be crying into their candles when we get cleared.

 

[cheekybids]

There's no sensationalism in us being cleared. I'd imagine, as much as we'd like the club to go nuclear on our enemies, it would be a case of "as you were" and everyone moves on. That doesn't create website clicks and ad revenue.

But the media whipping the red shirts into a frenzy about City being relegated, stripped of titles, Pep quitting, and being exposed as cheats.......well, there's plenty of revenue to be made on the back of that.

I disagree.

Imagine writing how clubs have conspired, clubs lobbying & even embedded in organisations to try & stop City & yet just like on the field they’ve failed. It’s sensational the way they’ve used rules & regulations & Citys execs tiki taka’d around them all.

There is an absolute thriller to be written & would get millions of clicks. Fucking hell you can get media print giving 2 sides to Israel / Palestine but not 1 has backed City….. it’s ludicrous!!

 

[cheekybids]

I've just added "loophole " to my city bingo card

You could have a 115 bingo card on its own…

 

[cheekybids]

It's also amazing how many Rag and Dipper keyboard warriors are qualified accountants and solicitors specialising in sport too.

& human rights…..


& tragedy songs

 

[deano ou812]

I’ve posted before but whoever pushed and pursued the whole agenda against City ( I’m talking about an individual) not a group of clubs together,has done a fantastic job as it’s achieved in part to keep people thinking that we have cheated/are guilty when nothing has been proven and also aided by a complicit media,my one hope is that somehow when we are cleared that the club pursue’s damages against the cnuts that started this,that’s all I ask let’s see how they like it .expect the unexpected..

 

[kevlardog]

I actually am not as optimistic as most people here. I think we'll got done for some but not all charges. And I'm not referring to non-cooperation. I find it incredibly unlikely that they've dragged this on for as long as they have, and without dropping any charges, to not have high confidence some things will stick.

 

[mexico1970]

I actually am not as optimistic as most people here. I think we'll got done for some but not all charges. And I'm not referring to non-cooperation. I find it incredibly unlikely that they've dragged this on for as long as they have, and without dropping any charges, to not have high confidence some things will stick.

Amazingly UEFA did exactly that, and after the Leicester debacle never underestimate their stupidity.

 

[pauls]

Amazingly UEFA did exactly that, and after the Leicester debacle never underestimate their stupidity.

Khaldoon said after the 2014 Uefa charge of 49m "we'll take a pinch" ,he hasn't taken one since and he's authorised a 300m upgrade.
He's gonna look irrefutabley stupid looking out from his exec seat in the main stand in League 1.

 

[kevlardog]

Amazingly UEFA did exactly that, and after the Leicester debacle never underestimate their stupidity.

Oh, I still think City can win this. I think it's closer to 60-40 instead of the certainty some show here.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I actually am not as optimistic as most people here. I think we'll got done for some but not all charges. And I'm not referring to non-cooperation. I find it incredibly unlikely that they've dragged this on for as long as they have, and without dropping any charges, to not have high confidence some things will stick.

Possibly. What do you base that on? Just a feeling?

In my view, they have no chance of making the most serious allegations (funding of sponsorships and filing incorrect accounts) stick simply because, like UEFA, they won't have access to the evidence necessary to prove it whereas the club will have access to reams of counter-evidence to disprove it.

So what is left? The rest of the "financial" allegations are all old allegations, as far as we know, and will be time limited unless the PL can show fraud or deliberate concealment. Not easy. There are plenty of counter arguments for Mancini and Fordham. But, tbf, we don't know enough about Fordham and Toure to conclude, really. There may be terms in Fordham that affect the club's results. Toure may be the PL's best chance, but again it's difficult to assess without more information and the club so far generally seems to have had good arguments to support anything that has happened. And let's not forget the club made a very strong statement when the allegations were announced and have, apparently, turned down the offer of a settlement. So they must be confident.

Finally, I am not so sure non-cooperation is as easy to prove as some might think and the rest (PL FFP and UEFA licensing) fall away if the serious charges aren't proven, I think.

Disagree with any of that?

 

[eastmanc]

First mistake was being friendrg with scousers?

Scouse friends?

 

[Blue Mist]

Re the Mancini Al Jazira contract, the PL will need to prove that Mansour/City were paying him directly. How would they be able to do that? They have no jurisdiction to access private bank records in the UAE, even the UK government wouldn't be able to do that. And Mancini is hardly going to admit to it as he would then have to pay UK tax on the earnings.

It's the same for our owner funding sponsorship from UAE companies, it is up to the PL to prove the allegations not for City to prove they aren't true. I honestly don't see how the PL can gather enough evidence to prove that beyond reasonable doubt.

The way to prove it would be to ask him. He might just have said, straight out, 'yep it was to hide the payment'. City would be goosed. I can't believe how unprofessional the investigation was conducted. Any half decent investigation starts with asking the person concerned. That is why I have said they are not interested in whether we are guilty or not, it was done purely to tarnish our reputation, diminish our success and get rival fans against us.
It was done because the red shirts demanded it for the same reasons

 

[eastmanc]

The way to prove it would be to ask him. He might just have said, straight out, 'yep it was to hide the payment'. City would be goosed. I can't believe how unprofessional the investigation was conducted. Any half decent investigation starts with asking the person concerned. That is why I have said they are not interested in whether we are guilty or not, it was done purely to tarnish our reputation, diminish our success and get rival fans against us.
Itcwas done because the red shirts demanded it fir the same reasons

Didn't Mancini say that it was all above board and he had paid his tax on the payments.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I actually am not as optimistic as most people here. I think we'll got done for some but not all charges. And I'm not referring to non-cooperation. I find it incredibly unlikely that they've dragged this on for as long as they have, and without dropping any charges, to not have high confidence some things will stick.

Great first post, mate. You’ll really brighten things up round here.