PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[remember arthur mann]

So does this start tomorrow?

 

[StillBluessinceHydeRoad]

One email was revealed to have been two welded together, but I don’t think that City have ever denied the authenticity of the others.
The PL’s case is indeed based entirely around those emails, but, given the seemingly damning nature of their content, the fact that we’re dealing with a ‘balance of probabilities’ hearing, and all set against a backdrop of a relentless media smear campaign, we would be foolish to assume a slam dunk victory. I take solace in the fact that we seem well prepared and willing to contest absolutely everything.

I don't think that we know what the PL's case depends on. It may be based exclusively on emails, even many more than the 6 (?!) UEFA brought forward and, though CAS judged them to be admissible it refused to accept that, in themselves, they proved anything. CAS is governed by Swiss law, I believe, but its rulings, I believe are given on the balance of probabilities. I think we are unnecessarily worried about the balance of probabilities. Certainly the burden of proof may not have to be as heavy as it would have to be to convince beyond reasonable (let us note this word) doubt but let's remember that it is not the rabid season ticket holder of a rival club who hates the sight of City who has to be convinced. It is a reasonable, open minded and objective "expert" and/or lawyer who has to believe that the evidence presented means it is probable that City have broken some/all of the rules they are alleged to have broken. CAS found that the emails failed completely to do this because there was absolutely no evidence at all to corroborate UEFA's interpretation of them, while City put forward a convincing and compelling interpretation of them with "incontravertible" evidence to support that interpretation. If the PL are relying on emails for their case they need some pretty good supporting evidence or they won't convince anyone that City are "probably" in breach of any rule.

 

[Centurions]

One email was revealed to have been two welded together, but I don’t think that City have ever denied the authenticity of the others.
The PL’s case is indeed based entirely around those emails, but, given the seemingly damning nature of their content, the fact that we’re dealing with a ‘balance of probabilities’ hearing, and all set against a backdrop of a relentless media smear campaign, we would be foolish to assume a slam dunk victory. I take solace in the fact that we seem well prepared and willing to contest absolutely everything.

City produced the originals for CAS so they were real, including the one that was concatenated together from two separate emails to make it read worse (I wonder why any media outlet saw the need to do that?). There was a further small number released (Mancini and the Fordham image rights ones I think) later.

There is so much wrong with the post you're responding to that I couldn't be arsed correcting them. You'd have thought by this point that Blues at least would know the facts as far as they've been released.

 

[LeonardoDaVnci]

I'm continually told how dodgy our Etihad sponsorship is, a rag acquaintance suggested it was an outlier, very weird, I sent him this list purely to show how common it is...

Here is a list of major sporting sponsorships by Middle Eastern airlines, these are absolutely perfect in every way, pure as the driven snow and that applies to the other UAE airline Emirates...

1. Emirates
- Arsenal FC (Stadium naming rights & shirt sponsor)
-Real Madrid CF (Shirt sponsor)
- AC Milan (Shirt sponsor)
- Paris Saint-Germain (PSG) (Shirt sponsor)
- Hamburger SV (Shirt sponsor)
- World Rugby (Global partner of Rugby World Cup)
- International Cricket Council (ICC) (Sponsor)
- US Open Tennis (Sponsor)
- Formula 1 (Global partner)

2. Qatar Airways
- FC Barcelona (Former shirt sponsor)
- Bayern Munich (Sleeve sponsor)
- AS Roma(Shirt sponsor)
- CONMEBOL Competitions** (Official airline sponsor, including Copa Libertadores)
- FIFA (Sponsor of the FIFA World Cup)
- Formula E (Official airline partner)
- Paris Saint-Germain (PSG) (Official airline partner)

 

[KS55]

That is pretty much my view in a nutshell.

The one point I don’t understand and maybe one of our legal experts can explain.
To accuse us of effectively cooking the books. They would need access to said books and the detail of the transactions.
I am pretty sure they haven’t.
So how can the PL get away with charging city on that with no evidence.
They could throw the same allegation out to any club in the league.
They should not be allowed to do so without substantial evidence

It is access to the documents in each accounts “bin” that they hoped would provide evidence. They asked for thousands of these docs.

 

[KS55]

Times vs The Sun
Bigger words and less tits and bingo.

Funnily enough, the Times was the first British newspaper to show a models nipples. They appeared in an ad featuring Vivienne Neves.

 

[KS55]

Doesn't Winter write for the times, so I'm not so sure about the tits

I think Winter has been binned by the Times. Can anyone confirm?

 

[69FACUPfinal]

I think Winter has been binned by the Times. Can anyone confirm?

He has. Circa 5-6 months ago.

 

[Goatmeal]

It is access to the documents in each accounts “bin” that they hoped would provide evidence. They asked for thousands of these docs.

My point is more about changing us without the evidence. Charging us by assumption

 

[KS55]

My point is more about changing us without the evidence. Charging us by assumption

Yup. I think that was in response to the announcement of an independent regulator. Then they keep looking. What do you do if you find nothing but the redshirts are bellowing in your ears every day?

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

My point is more about changing us without the evidence. Charging us by assumption

The emails don't look good in isolation, so it's not without evidence. But as CAS showed emails can look bad and then have perfectly fine reasons for them and/or doesn't mean it has happened.

 

[Goatmeal]

The emails don't look good in isolation, so it's not without evidence. But as CAS showed emails can look bad and then have perfectly fine reasons for them and/or doesn't mean it has happened.

So basically the PL are barking up the same wrong tree as UEFA
That’s how I have seen it all along. It just puzzles me that the PL are stupid enough to do the same

 

[MMA]

So has United Arsenal , Tottenham and Liverpools books been scrutinized like ours for the past 10 years..?

Are they absolutely whiter then white when it comes to how they conduct business?
Who review's their accounts??
What have we done so wrong that they all do everything so right every season?

 

[LeonardoDaVnci]

So for £67.5 million per anum (1.5% of mean annual revenue), do Etihad Airways sponsors of the football World Champions receive value for money ?

Off the top of my head, they receive the following services:-

1 A large part of Manchester M11 has been named the Etihad campus for over a decade now.

2 The Etihad Airways stadium sign is seen by millions of passengers flying into Manchester Airport on the east Manc inbound route.

3 The millions of people who have seen Etihad Airways ads during visits to the stadium for games/concerts/conferences etc.

4 The hundreds of millions of people who have seen Etihad Airways on MCFC kits (men and women) during televised games

5 The millions of MCFC/Etihad references seen daily on digital platforms all over the globe, news, social media etc

6 The millions of passengers who have flown on Etihad Airways aircraft painted in the beautiful sky blue MCFC livery.

7 The millions of replica kits worn around the world by fans with the ’can’t miss’ Etihad Airways brand on display

8 The Manchester Metro Etihad station, used/seen by hundreds of thousands of rag commuters.

How does that lot compare to the dipps for receiving £50 per anum for Standard Chartered on their kits?, is it Fair Market Value ?

 

[Giovinco]

When I read the cas document it said that city were paid 8million directly by Etihad and then the remaining 59 by the uae central funds which was loaned to etihad - is that correct?

 

[CC1]

I think Winter has been binned by the Times. Can anyone confirm?

Yep. He must have written a nice sentence about us. Silly man

 

[117 M34]

So for £67.5 million per anum, do Etihad Airways sponsors of the football World Champions receive value for money ?

Off the top of my head, they receive the following services:-

1 A large part of Manchester M11 has been named the Etihad campus for over a decade now.

2 The Etihad Airways stadium sign is seen by millions of passengers flying into Manchester Airport on the east Manc inbound route.

3 The millions of people who have seen Etihad Airways ads during visits to the stadium for games/concerts/conferences etc.

4 The hundreds of millions of people who have seen Etihad Airways on MCFC kits during televised games

5 The millions of MCFC/Etihad references seen daily on digital platforms all over the globe, news, social media etc

6 The millions of passengers who have flown on Etihad Airways aircraft painted in the beautiful sky blue MCFC livery.

7 The millions of replica kits worn around the world by fans with the ’can’t miss’ Etihad Airways brand on display

8 The Manchester Metro Etihad station, used/seen by hundreds of thousands of rag commuters.

How does that lot compare to the dipps for receiving £50 per anum for Standard Chartered on their kits?, is it Fair Market Value ?

I just ask -
Had you heard of etihad airways in 2007?
Have you heard of them now?

Now multiply that by hundreds of millions of people who will give the same no/yes answer and see how much that is worth

 

[Blueboy73]

I'm continually told how dodgy our Etihad sponsorship is, a rag acquaintance suggested it was an outlier, very weird, I sent him this list purely to show how common it is...

Here is a list of major sporting sponsorships by Middle Eastern airlines, these are absolutely perfect in every way, pure as the driven snow and that applies to the other UAE airline Emirates...

1. Emirates
- Arsenal FC (Stadium naming rights & shirt sponsor)
-Real Madrid CF (Shirt sponsor)
- AC Milan (Shirt sponsor)
- Paris Saint-Germain (PSG) (Shirt sponsor)
- Hamburger SV (Shirt sponsor)
- World Rugby (Global partner of Rugby World Cup)
- International Cricket Council (ICC) (Sponsor)
- US Open Tennis (Sponsor)
- Formula 1 (Global partner)

2. Qatar Airways
- FC Barcelona (Former shirt sponsor)
- Bayern Munich (Sleeve sponsor)
- AS Roma(Shirt sponsor)
- CONMEBOL Competitions** (Official airline sponsor, including Copa Libertadores)
- FIFA (Sponsor of the FIFA World Cup)
- Formula E (Official airline partner)
- Paris Saint-Germain (PSG) (Official airline partner)

Did you ask Raggie why Chevrolet sacked the person who negotiated their sponsorship deal with his shit club because it was over inflated or why the Team Viewer sponsorship deal was approved even though the financial information available showed and was subsequently proved that they couldn't afford to honour it.
If he wants to go back further, ask him why the questions that Coolmore asked about Fergusons dodgy financial deals were never answered or why they were allowed to generate millions of pounds by floating on the stock market when FA rules permitted this at the time.

 

[manimanc]

When I read the cas document it said that city were paid 8million directly by Etihad and then the remaining 59 by the uae central funds which was loaned to etihad - is that correct?

I thought Sheikh Mansour *ahem* made up sponsorship deals and just made up names of 'sponsors' (but secretly paid out of his own money).
The press and especially that loony loony loony twat in the hat harris have categorically said he did and they said they've even seen the emails to confirm it.

( they've also seen Father Christmas and have unicorns as pets)

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

So basically the PL are barking up the same wrong tree as UEFA
That’s how I have seen it all along. It just puzzles me that the PL are stupid enough to do the same

None of us know for sure, but yes I don't think they have anything beyond the emails. I think I'm probably with CAS that if we played nicer earlier on then we might have avoided this altogether, but also understand the club's position that they don't trust them as far as they can throw them.