PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Woody135 said:
Dont get this way of thinking.
Its not win/lose. Its not a judgement call or an opinion that will be given. Its absolute truth, in either scenario. And frankly thats enough for me.

If the decision goes for city, it will be absolute justice finally, exoneration, clubs name clean, open season to go after anyone we want.

If the decision is against city, frankly the club has lied and covered it up for years, including to us fans. Its then down to each individual to decide whether they care about that or not.

I trust the club not to be guilty of what would be potentially the largest corporate fraud in sports history. So im relaxed about it and expect a positive outcome.

If not, will deal with it then.

Ultimately its truth that we get and it will be a relief either way and we can all move on with our lives.
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Great post.
 

abu13 said:
I am genuinely curious to know what the PL have evidence wise to proceed with this case, I dont buy into the theory that they have been pushed into this and if they have then more fool them. They must be convinced that they have enough to gain a positive outcome and it will be interesting to see what this is. If the believe this to be the case then fair play to them for coming after us.

Likewise, I struggle to see a situation where if the club have knowingly breached the rules that we would have allowed it to get this far. I have no doubt that we have sailed close to the wind and used the woding of the rules to the limit, I dont know any big organisation that doesnt. There is nothing that I have seen from our owners over the last decade to make me distrust them when they claim everything is above board. We seem to be extremely confident in our position, rightly so if we have done no wrong.

I guess it will be a case of us winning some points and the PL winning some points, it all depends on who is successful on the main charges..
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That seems a very fair take, but I’m not sure I fully agree on the PL.

I think there was huge pressure for action by the other clubs and PL where stuck between having not enough to charge us and large amounts of non-cooperation.

So the other clubs and I would (might have to hide after saying this) say arguably with reason put pressure on PL to charge if we were not co-operating. This part is just putting 2 and 2 together and making a guess on what has happened.

There is no doubt other clubs had information before us as I believe they leaked it before we got told.

I believe the club where surprised as the investigation had stalled and PL had a choice to make.

Now whether it was the pressure of other clubs or that the PL simply could not accept none co-op (which could be a fair position to take) they raised the charges. It seems highly co-incidental the date with the white paper coming out and I’m sure that plays in at some point.

So I don’t think PL have necessarily sat down and been advised of high probability of success, in fact I believe it could be quite low.

The long trail and large amount of evidence being called, I also feel paints a picture of no smoking gun or anything ground breaking, more a lot of small points to try and paint a bigger picture.

All the signs point to me of PL trying hard without too much of substance.

However, you are correct they will within there evidence win some points (which no doubt the media will pick up on) but the burden of proof for the high level charges.

I seriously doubt they will be anywhere near the standard required.
 
Woody135 said:
Dont get this way of thinking.
Its not win/lose. Its not a judgement call or an opinion that will be given. Its absolute truth, in either scenario. And frankly thats enough for me.

If the decision goes for city, it will be absolute justice finally, exoneration, clubs name clean, open season to go after anyone we want.

If the decision is against city, frankly the club has lied and covered it up for years, including to us fans. Its then down to each individual to decide whether they care about that or not.

I trust the club not to be guilty of what would be potentially the largest corporate fraud in sports history. So im relaxed about it and expect a positive outcome.

If not, will deal with it then.

Ultimately its truth that we get and it will be a relief either way and we can all move on with our lives.
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Whilst I like the sentiment I disgree with this. It’s a perfect view but not real in my view as miscarriage's of justice happen all the time and this will come down to someone’s opinion on what has happened (they will not know for sure).

Everything else, I agree if we are found guilty then you can guarantee our fans won’t accept it and if innocent other fans won’t. We’re all the same in that respect but influenced by our support etc.

Ultimately, I have zero respect for those rules and believe we won it on the pitch. It’s my club their punishment will be mine if we go down or no CL 100% worth it!!

The other clubs are already worried that there too late to stop us and wanting multiple points over lots of seasons.

I think we’ve made it and this will never be more then a bump in the road.

UEFA 2 year ban was there bigger chance
 
halfcenturyup said:
You are right to be optimistic, I think, but I don't think it's quite as easy as you suggest because of the inclusion of a breach of the "acting in good faith" rule in the first tranche of breaches.
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I imagine “acting in bad faith” would be difficult to prove as surely it would mean unpicking the witness’ intention at the time.

Seems too abstract a thing to prove?
 
abu13 said:
I am genuinely curious to know what the PL have evidence wise to proceed with this case, I dont buy into the theory that they have been pushed into this and if they have then more fool them. They must be convinced that they have enough to gain a positive outcome and it will be interesting to see what this is. If the believe this to be the case then fair play to them for coming after us.

Likewise, I struggle to see a situation where if the club have knowingly breached the rules that we would have allowed it to get this far. I have no doubt that we have sailed close to the wind and used the woding of the rules to the limit, I dont know any big organisation that doesnt. There is nothing that I have seen from our owners over the last decade to make me distrust them when they claim everything is above board. We seem to be extremely confident in our position, rightly so if we have done no wrong.

I guess it will be a case of us winning some points and the PL winning some points, it all depends on who is successful on the main charges..
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Its a witch hunt mate, pure and simple. I'd be very surprised if the Premier League have anything substantial, they've been pushed into it by the red cartel. It's blatantly obvious that them cunts are all behind it, hence the letter they produced.
 
paulchapo said:
That's because we allowed him to become some sort of minor celebrity. Lesson learned I hope. Backroom staff should be just that, in the background.
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Not the case, look at any club and usually the kit man is the one that helps build up the camaraderie between the players and the back room staff, who they have to work with on a daily basis, same as Chappie did before him
 
paulchapo said:
I've never heard of or seen anything of any other kitman except at our place.
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Vic Akers at Arsenal was a well-known kit man, who won numerous trophies as manager of Arsenal Ladies before taking on the kit man role. He got the OBE after he stepped down. Jimmy Martin at Everton was another legendary figure. But those are the only ones I could name.
 
HolisticJim said:
Were talking about if there is something to be found.

And if there is something to be found the FA won't do any deal and the Chairman will still say 'irrefutable evidence'
That's the whole point of the original comment.

Personally I can't see them finding nothing.
You don't spend literally years building a case, drag it into the court only for there to be nothing in it.
They must be pretty damned sure they have spent the time carefully building a case which has some stickiness to it - unfortunately.
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Or they were just hell bent on putting our reputation through the grinder regardless of the financial outlay. A way for them to "take the edge off" of having to watch us dominate year upon year...
 
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