PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

wolviedinho said:
Simple Simon:

“We can’t ignore City are currently embroiled in a hearing looking into 115 alleged financial breaches of Premier League rules.

While we are excited for this (arse)fixture, the greatest threat to English football is the ridiculousness of the misplaced thinking behind PSR (profit and sustainability rules).

If you have an owner losing a hundred million quid a year – which, by the way, isn’t all cash losses, but also a result of things like amortisation and inability to properly market value assets - yet they are prepared to put a bond up for a billion quid, it means their club is sustainable in my book.

It leaves the PSR argument as rather ludicrous in a free market, in an industry built by people investing in ambition.

Worse than that, we are having to listen to a ridiculous crowd because a few clubs have had bad owners at the lower end of the pyramid. I do understand the angst of fans at Reading, Leyton Orient and Bury but our rules and thinking need to be more sophisticated.

Let’s build a safety net for clubs, that go bust, such as league-provided insurance policies and find a mechanism for fairer distributions.

To introduce a financial regulator, a Government appointment, to economically asphyxiate English football whilst the rest of football around the world runs free and wild and does what it wants, is utter madness.

I do believe Manchester City have a very significant case to answer though I can’t really see what they did that differently to Chelsea under Roman Abramovich, apart from timing because rules have changed”.

Behind a paywall. He must be getting info from his buddies about what way the wind is blowing regarding the 115 hearing and the current mood towards a regulator which they seem to fear.
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Interesting that the PL put these “ridiculous” rules in place.

That’s hardly “acting in good faith” now is it?
 
manimanc said:
I think they really want to make something stick but will find absolutely nothing on us.
Remember khaldoon saying we have irrefutable evidence?

I believe the man 200%.
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As said before the "irrefutable evidence" must simply be our accounts, there's no so called smoking gun to disprove anything of the sort with these allegations, it's just what's in black and white, Shirley?
 
manimanc said:
I think they really want to make something stick but will find absolutely nothing on us.
Remember khaldoon saying we have irrefutable evidence?

I believe the man 200%.
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i think tney will make something stick , they just cant be seen to have taken it this far for nothing . This good faith thing seems a grey area

i too trust khaldoon 100%
 
M18CTID said:
The clue is at the end of my post. If our accounts are found to be false then we’ll be retrospectively found to be in breach of UEFA FFP.
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But again, why would the premier league charge us for this when it should be uefa's job.
 
Stoned Rose said:
I care.

If we genuinely breached any of the regulations, we need to take that on the chin, take whatever sanction coming from it and learn from it.
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Totally disagree with this.

You seem to be losing sight of the fact that even if we have breached any regulations all we are actually guilty of is attempting to circumvent a set of wholly corupt and iniquitous rules that were only put in place to protect the cartel of established so called "big clubs" and prevent any other club from challenging their dominance.
 
How many more articles will the MEN find an excuse to mention the charges? “Haaland landmark reached as 115 charges threaten extinction”. “Foden masterclass overshadowed by Tebas accusations”. “Clubs want Rodri stripped of Ballon d’Or due to ongoing hearing”.
 
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Bournemouth Blue said:
How many more articles will the MEN find an excuse to mention the charges? “Haaland landmark reached as 115 charges threaten extinction”. “Foden masterclass overshadowed by Tebas accusations”. “Clubs want Rodri stribbed of Ballon d’Or due to ongoing hearing”.
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The MEN is a dying institution, scrambling round desperately trying to stay relevant, peddling click bait and trying to appeal to the masses. Certainly when it comes to City it makes no effort to display regional loyalty, which I find incredibly disappointing. The Liverpool Echo is practically a parody and we regularly poke fun at it for its heavily biased reporting of anything relating to its football teams, but there is no doubt whose side it is on. The MEN, on the other hand, sadly is prepared to sacrifice any local allegiance to placate the clickbait masses.

Years ago I had professional dealings with the MEN, it had some great people there and some very good journalists. Its unrecognisable to what it has become now, and if the people responsible for reporting on City aren't ashamed of what they are resorting to, then they should be.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Not like Mancini to be shy, I think :) With the language issues, though, and the relative low-risk of that particular issue, would a written statement be enough?
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If I was the PL, I'd be cross examining every witness. The Mancini matter is dead with an unchallenged witness statement. If a witness statement is unchallenged, the panel are likely to accept every word as unchallenged evidence ie fact.
 
kaz7 said:
i think tney will make something stick , they just cant be seen to have taken it this far for nothing . This good faith thing seems a grey area

i too trust khaldoon 100%
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The evidence is the evidence if there isn't any they can't just make something up to make it stick.
 
Bellamy's Caddy said:
The MEN is a dying institution, scrambling round desperately trying to stay relevant, peddling click bait and trying to appeal to the masses. Certainly when it comes to City it makes no effort to display regional loyalty, which I find incredibly disappointing. The Liverpool Echo is practically a parody and we regularly poke fun at it for its heavily biased reporting of anything relating to its football teams, but there is no doubt whose side it is on. The MEN, on the other hand, sadly is prepared to sacrifice any local allegiance to placate the clickbait masses.

Years ago I had professional dealings with the MEN, it had some great people there and some very good journalists. Its unrecognisable to what it has become now, and if the people responsible for reporting on City aren't ashamed of what they are resorting to, then they should be.
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The MUEN are a fucking disgrace.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Yes there is. In complying with each of those rules as in all other matters relating to the club's dealings with the PL, the rules have to be complied with in good faith. Once again, if the club in complying with all those rules has acted in bad faith by providing, at the very least, information it knew to be incorrect, then it has breached all of those rules. That is why the good faith rule had been added to that tranche of allegations, imho, because without it the club could say it has complied with a literal reading of those rules.

Tbh, I doubt very much that the PL's very expensive lawyers have made such a fundamental mistake in their referral that all the most serious charges can be thrown out on such a flimsy premise.

Anyway, it's bedtime for me, thank God, so I am leaving this here. I have to get up in the middle of the night to watch the match. Enjoy the game!
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you're wrong, the rule is the rule as written. See the Leicester case where the PL lost due to the rule being written as it is. That is how law works, it's not oh we actually meant this by that rule. The PL are a sloppy organisation and the rules are sloppily written and quite frankly opens the door for the city solicitors to walk through really easily. Again this is all pre 2014 before they cracked down and the rules.
 
Bellamy's Caddy said:
The MEN is a dying institution, scrambling round desperately trying to stay relevant, peddling click bait and trying to appeal to the masses. Certainly when it comes to City it makes no effort to display regional loyalty, which I find incredibly disappointing. The Liverpool Echo is practically a parody and we regularly poke fun at it for its heavily biased reporting of anything relating to its football teams, but there is no doubt whose side it is on. The MEN, on the other hand, sadly is prepared to sacrifice any local allegiance to placate the clickbait masses.

Years ago I had professional dealings with the MEN, it had some great people there and some very good journalists. Its unrecognisable to what it has become now, and if the people responsible for reporting on City aren't ashamed of what they are resorting to, then they should be.
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The MUEN are a fucking disgrace.
 
abu13 said:
I dont understand we may be accused of paying Yaya or his agent off the books but wouldnt pay out for his Birthday cake.
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If one of the charges is failing to buy him a cake we can easily disprove that one as well. We did buy him a cake, but his agent didn’t think that was good enough. Don’t understand why the opposite has become the accepted story
 
Bellamy's Caddy said:
The MEN is a dying institution, scrambling round desperately trying to stay relevant, peddling click bait and trying to appeal to the masses. Certainly when it comes to City it makes no effort to display regional loyalty, which I find incredibly disappointing. The Liverpool Echo is practically a parody and we regularly poke fun at it for its heavily biased reporting of anything relating to its football teams, but there is no doubt whose side it is on. The MEN, on the other hand, sadly is prepared to sacrifice any local allegiance to placate the clickbait masses.

Years ago I had professional dealings with the MEN, it had some great people there and some very good journalists. Its unrecognisable to what it has become now, and if the people responsible for reporting on City aren't ashamed of what they are resorting to, then they should be.
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Great post mate, the great late Paul Hince springs to mind when you mention very good journalist.
 
Norbiton said:
If one of the charges is failing to buy him a cake we can easily disprove that one as well. We did buy him a cake, but his agent didn’t think that was good enough. Don’t understand why the opposite has become the accepted story
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I think the issue was that City put in a receipt for a triple layered King Melon cake from Harrods when in reality he got a chocolate cookie from Greggs.
 
jacko74 said:
Totally disagree with this.

You seem to be losing sight of the fact that even if we have breached any regulations all we are actually guilty of is attempting to circumvent a set of wholly corupt and iniquitous rules that were only put in place to protect the cartel of established so called "big clubs" and prevent any other club from challenging their dominance.
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Whether we agree with the rules or not, rules are rules.

It’d be like a shoplifter getting convicted of nicking a load of clothes from JD then saying “nah mate the rules are snide, so it doesn’t count”.

We signed up to the rules. If we didn’t agree with them we shouldn’t have done.
 
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