PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Prestwich_Blue]

Some people prefer the tactility and flexibility of paper, especially as it’s a known quantity and a medium they’ve operated with for many years. If those papers are ours then I guess Pannick will prefer operating that way, and like a chef with his knives he will want it ‘just so’ in his workplace, so he can perform to his best. It’s his case to run as he sees fit.

Things are more digitalised now, but it’s not obligatory upon the person conducting the case, although they will still need to use that platform more widely in the hearing, such as with witnesses.

Don’t think there’s any grandstanding, as it looks a bit daft and anachronistic imo.

That reminds me of working for an insurance underwriter years ago, and we were implementing a 'paperless office'. So all incoming documents would be scanned in the post room, indexed and stored electronically. For some reason I was on the Steering Group for this, although there was very little impact vis-a-vis my role.

I was sat in a meeting half paying attention to what was going on and there was a discussion about high-speed printers we were installing. My ears pricked up at that and I queried why we were installing high-speed printers when the intention was to go paperless. The answer was that all the various parties involved in a quotation or claim would want to print the relevant file off, partcularly if they didn't have access to an electronic device (it was in the days before Ipads and smartphones) or were external, and didn't have access to our systems.

Prior to this, there would be a single physical file that relevant parts could be copied if needed and passed round or used collectively. But the consequence of this 'paperless office' was actually going to generate significantly larger quantities of paper than the old physical files.

I'd guess one of the advantages of using paper in this scenario is that there isn't the overhead of both time and expense of having to digitise all the documents, and having to set up a system where everyone can access them.

 

[bluemonkey71]

Well he must be pretty much unique amongst Blues for him to hold the opinion that FFP is an entirely fair, just and justified rule and that if City are found guilty of contravening it in any way then they fully deserve to be punished.

Get a room. Maybe a twin :)

 

[Gone for a Burton]

Normal 24 hours for Khaldoon.

Signed a NINE BILLION £ joint venture development deal twixt Mubadala & Aldar.

Then jumped on the plane to the match.

As you do, as you do !!

 

[Keeper!]

I'm not being funny but how the funk would esteemedkompany know that?
How?

Did he sneak in unnoticed?

Ah the joys of social media, the just reel folks in.

His muker Billy Shears told him.

 

[marco]

Netflix could have made a fortune filming this live as it happens, due to end late November to my calculations, that dosnt mean were going to know how its gone but we will have a good idea from the response of Pannik,Pep and Khaldoon, still think 100% its going our way and there is going to be a Wall St 1929 type meltdown from the journo's, its going to be a delight watching it all unfold

 

[MillisleBlue]

Honestly it really is a genuine attack in the media, and slander. Most definitely caused unreliable damage to our reputation.

I hope none of the “independent” panel has read a newspaper since the title decider against QPR.

Clear and organised.

 

[Keeper!]

I'm not a barrister but i've been in courts and I preferred paper bundles. I found it easier to put my finger on things I wanted as I'm not good at multi tasking and arsing aroung with tech under pressure isn't easy I'm sure Pannick has lackeys who's job is to do all that at the click of his fingers though.

When your charging 5k an hour, checking and taking your time finding paperwork is essential.

 

[marco]

Even if we 'get away' with main charges we will be punished for the non cooperation charges and we will be hammered for these to make up for it and the media etc will go to town on it.

no there hands are tied with non cooperation, quite sure its a fine only

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

You really are talking shit now.

Rag or dipper?

Yawn

 

[nmc]

So much for private messaging.
That was supposed to be between you and me.
I’ve a good mind to post that video of you, strapped down naked on the pummel horse!

You know the rules…. Then again.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It is a strange way to do it for such an educated an talented man.

As the bundle would be so thick as to be problematic and involve moving from page to page (quite often not in order).

It is probably worth noting any bundle will be being given to numerous parties, so the boxes may not be as big as they seem.

However, my opinion on this is probably the same as giving tactic to Pep, he’d probably smile politely whilst thinking what are you on about!

His junior will fetch the relevant folder file for him at the appropriate time, so it won’t all be in front of him (assuming that’s how he operates). Not sure how working in that way militates against his talent or education, though. That said, I understand why it may seem strange, but those barristers are a strange lot!

 

[LeonardoDaVnci]

I seriously doubt Lord Pannick delivered an absolute KO on day one, despite my pleas to the deity. However as the IC is conducted in accordance with English Commercial Law, some or all of the 130 charges could fail as follows (bit dry, but accurate). Although based on a single charge/case, I believe strike out CAN happen to individual charges, eg hopefully Mancini/Fordham/Toure struck out due to being time barred.

Strike Out of the Claim/Charge

Under Civil Procedure Rule (CPR) 3.4, a court can strike out (dismiss) a claim if:
The statement of the case discloses no reasonable grounds for bringing the claim.The case is an abuse of the court’s process, for example, if it is frivolous or vexatious.
There has been a failure to comply with a court order or the procedural rules.
If a claim is struck out, it can result in the dismissal of the case entirely or of specific parts of it.

2. Summary Judgment

Under CPR 24, either party (usually the defendant) can apply for summary judgment if they believe that the other party has no real prospect of success in the case and there is no other compelling reason for the matter to proceed to trial. If the judge agrees, the claim may be dismissed.

btw I DONT CARE A RATS ARSE WHAT ANY OTHER FANS/MSM/CLUBS SAY OR THINK ABOUT ANY CHARGES BEING TIME BARRED

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

When your charging 5k an hour, checking and taking your time finding paperwork is essential.

Checked this figure with a commercial silk the other day and he said it seemed high. About half that by his reckoning, which is around where I guessed it would be.

It could be right, there’s billions at stake tbf, but I think it’s likely to be lower than £5k an hour fwiw.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I doubt Lord Pannick delivered an absolute KO on day one, despite my pleas to the deity. However as the IC is conducted in accordance with English Commercial Law, some or all of the 130 charges could fail as follows (bit dry, but accurate). Although based on a single charge/case, I believe strike out CAN happen to individual charges, hopefully Mancini/Fordham/Toure struck out due to being time barred.

Strike Out of the Claim/Charge

Under Civil Procedure Rule (CPR) 3.4, a court can strike out (dismiss) a claim if:
The statement of the case discloses no reasonable grounds for bringing the claim.The case is an abuse of the court’s process, for example, if it is frivolous or vexatious.
There has been a failure to comply with a court order or the procedural rules.
If a claim is struck out, it can result in the dismissal of the case entirely or of specific parts of it.

2. Summary Judgment

Under CPR 24, either party (usually the defendant) can apply for summary judgment if they believe that the other party has no real prospect of success in the case and there is no other compelling reason for the matter to proceed to trial. If the judge agrees, the claim may be dismissed.

The CPR doesn’t apply to this hearing.

 

[Keeper!]

Checked this figure with a commercial silk the other day and he said it seemed high. About half that by his reckoning, which is around where I guessed it would be.

It could be right, there’s billions at stake tbf, but I think it’s likely to be lower than £5k an hour fwiw.

Cheers, out of interest what would a "regular" KC charge?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Cheers, out of interest what would a "regular" KC charge?

Commercial? Was told starting from about a grand an hour.

 

[calumdown]

I'm not a barrister but i've been in courts and I preferred paper bundles

what were you being accused of?






























not actually being called dave
and not actually being from didsbury?

 

[77lost by a point]

Some people prefer the tactility and flexibility of paper, especially as it’s a known quantity and a medium they’ve operated with for many years. If those papers are ours then I guess Pannick will prefer operating that way, and like a chef with his knives he will want it ‘just so’ in his workplace, so he can perform to his best. It’s his case to run as he sees fit.

Things are more digitalised now, but it’s not obligatory upon the person conducting the case, although they will still need to use that platform more widely in the hearing, such as with witnesses.

Don’t think there’s any grandstanding, as it looks a bit daft and anachronistic imo.

Agreed! people do prefer the tactility and flexibility of paper as I'm sure trying to wipe your arse with an i pad wouldn't be very comfortable

 

[Big Joe Corrigan]

what were you being accused of?






























not actually being called dave
and not actually being from didsbury?

He was charged with falsifying seat counting records.

 

[GortonBlue62]

Agreed! people do prefer the tactility and flexibility of paper as I'm sure trying to wipe your arse with an i pad wouldn't be very comfortable

And expensive.