Keir Starmer

You came back within no time, it's why I call you Keir you're basically both liars. Say one thing in the moment then do another. You can't bear him getting any sort of criticism.

The only other reason is you are actually Keir Starmer.

Anyhow wipe your fanny Kier you dont want tears on your new suit, I know it was free but getting fitted for another one is such a ball ache you have that free dinner to attend remember.
You’re a weirdo who has that nasty habit of stalking people, and rather than debate the issues, attack the individual instead.

You remind me of the child, that nobody will talk to, so you get your kicks by resorting to little tantrums.

Sometimes people need to stop and think before posting stuff on SM, soiling yourselves in public is not a good look.
 
Until the laws change, he’s guilty of being naive, not corruption, as far as I can see.

Given not much else has happened since the election was won, this, along with WFA are the two avenues available for attacking him.

As soon as something major happens, this will be a damp squib.

You don’t see 2m pensioners struggling even more than usual to heat their homes as major?

I agree the gifts is a bit of a storm in the Westminster tea cup largely driven by the fact he promised to be better/different. I do expect he will calm it down now and this will be forgotten about in a months time. Much like the infighting on Sue Gray. The WFA is not going away however….

It’s hard being in power, the scrutiny is off the scale. Reeves was accused of being naive in WFA… perhaps a bit of a trend forming if you look at it in the round - their ambitions writing cheques their current ability cannot cash. They’re learning and will get better.
 
You don’t see 2m pensioners struggling even more than usual to heat their homes as major?

I agree the gifts is a bit of a storm in the Westminster tea cup largely driven by the fact he promised to be better/different. I do expect he will calm it down now and this will be forgotten about in a months time. Much like the infighting on Sue Gray. The WFA is not going away however….

It’s hard being in power, the scrutiny is off the scale. Reeves was accused of being naive in WFA… perhaps a bit of a trend forming if you look at it in the round - their ambitions writing cheques their current ability cannot cash. They’re learning and will get better.
I do and that isn’t being debated because Starmer took some gifts. Therefore you’ve got to wonder what the motives for attacking the WFA decision were. People seem to have moved on to funding of a private box at a football match.

It’s almost as if people don’t really care about the pensioners and are simply interested in attacking Starmer,
 
You’re a weirdo who has that nasty habit of stalking people, and rather than debate the issues, attack the individual instead.

You remind me of the child, that nobody will talk to, so you get your kicks by resorting to little tantrums.

Sometimes people need to stop and think before posting stuff on SM, soiling yourselves in public is not a good look.
Nail on head, or he/she has a medical issue
 
North Korea Whataboutery.

Whataboutery about the Whataboutery about the Whataboutery.

You debate in bad faith and are PatronisingtotheHilt.
And yet not one single poster has managed a no Hilts you are wrong on this because....., not one.

You know what you are doing you ain't daft. This is now simple, posters are getting a tad bored with the whataboutery so for balance if posters don't have the brains or honesty to stop it they will get reminded of it over and over again. This will make the forum even more fucking insane but so be it.

The answer is to just discuss the events partaking to Labour or Starmer. It is their threads.

You may not have noticed but I haven't mentioned anything about the economy waiting lists etc..... because they haven't been in long enough and the country us in a state.

The WFA and the grabbing is on their watch, they are decisions made now. You either agree with those or you don't. Tis that simple and you know it.

I will presume you know now where I stand. I'm not a Tory but sometimes posters will agree on something for different reasons..

Even a Tory can be right once in a while:-)

There reasons might not be though. Argue the point not the poster people
 
I wouldn't say this is a left wing forum to be honest. Maybe you are more right wing than you think, or maybe I am more left wing than I think?

100% it is. About 60% of respondents on here said they were voting Labour, twice what actually happened. Although Labour are right wing so maybe it isn’t true ;)

I’m conflicted.
 
There reasons might not be though. Argue the point not the poster people
Says you is ironic. You crossed the line in your “debating” style this morning. Hence you got dotted.

I have no interest in debating with your whilst you go on your mega insulting of anyone you deem to have the moral high ground over.
 
I do and that isn’t being debated because Starmer took some gifts. Therefore you’ve got to wonder what the motives for attacking the WFA decision were. People seem to have moved on to funding of a private box at a football match.

It’s almost as if people don’t really care about the pensioners and are simply interested in attacking Starmer,
They moved on to the grabbing because its this week. Both are getting mentioned. Its the order they came about. Some Tories will use these stories for their own ends, christ knows why but that's always been the case from both sides.

Sides is the main problem.

None of this is new. The only change is who is in power.
 
They moved on to the grabbing because its this week. Both are getting mentioned. Its the order they came about. Some Tories will use these stories for their own ends, christ knows why but that's always been the case from both sides.

Sides is the main problem.

None of this is new. The only change is who is in power.
If it’s any consolation, should I win the lottery, I would offer to pay for Starner’s box in return for reintroducing the WFA.

Schrodinger’s lobbying.
 
Just so we know where you and your tag team partners are. Is there anything this Government has done since coming into power that have improved things - anything?

Absolutely.

Renters bill
Sorting out the strikes
Binning off Rwanda.
Getting the riots under control.
Exclusion zones around abortion clinics

Off the top of my head…and they will do a lot more.
 
Says you is ironic. You crossed the line in your “debating” style this morning. Hence you got dotted.

I have no interest in debating with your whilst you go on your mega insulting of anyone you deem to have the moral high ground over.
Why should people being dishonest be protected, I haven't attacked anyone who doesn't give it out on here.

I do post honestly and I accept I'm blunt. There are plenty of people I have never had a crossed word with on here. But the same posters seem to be forever at loggerheads with me. There is a reason for that.

If you honestly believe that constantly saying yeah but the Tories is not just a deflection from a biased poster who won't admit a wrong doing from 'his side' then just put me on ignore. I gave the Tories on here the same treatment.

We have been through this before, I don't post to change people minds, I post to either have a laugh or show the sheer hypocrisy and dishonesty in posters.
 
Why should people being dishonest be protected, I haven't attacked anyone who doesn't give it out on here.

I do post honestly and I accept I'm blunt. There are plenty of people I have never had a crossed word with on here. But the same posters seem to be forever at loggerheads with me. There is a reason for that.

If you honestly believe that constantly saying yeah but the Tories is not just a deflection from a biased poster who won't admit a wrong doing from 'his side' then just put me on ignore. I gave the Tories on here the same treatment.

We have been through this before, I don't post to change people minds, I post to either have a laugh or show the sheer hypocrisy and dishonesty in posters.
All that can be true whilst also coming across as condescending. You’ve seen it isn’t just me that has thought that this morning. Whether you’re arsed by that or not is your business.

What is doesn't do is get the thread anywhere.
 
Yes it’s ridiculous.
Although technically he probably hasn’t broken any rules because it’s all been declared and it remains to be seen whether any influence has been bought, Starmer’s been incredibly naive if he thinks that accepting multiple gifts wasn’t going to come back and bite him on the arse. It should have been obvious to him that accepting that level of freebies at the same time as calling out the Tories for doing similar was not going to be ignored.

The point being made summed up perfectly.

Why some feel they just can’t accept this I have no idea?

Scrap that, I do know why lol
 
Absolutely.

Renters bill
Sorting out the strikes
Binning off Rwanda.
Getting the riots under control.
Exclusion zones around abortion clinics

Off the top of my head…and they will do a lot more.
On the exclusion zone around abortion clinics , there was an interview on yesterday with some religious nutter who stands outside such places. He believes even if a woman is raped she shouldnt have the right to abort.
You cant reason with people like that
 
All that can be true whilst also coming across as condescending. You’ve seen it isn’t just me that has thought that this morning. Whether you’re arsed by that or not is your business.

What is doesn't do is get the thread anywhere.
The thread for various reasons isn't going anywhere. The fact is you and another poster who did see his arse big time actually discussed how Starmer got it wrong.

So answer me this please take these two scenarios

One - Starner cocks up, his supporters even admit he cocked up, flames put out we all move on.

Two - Starmer cocked up his supporters deny, deflect add whataboutery in almost every bloody post it it goes round and round and round.

Why is it me who is somehow having to adjust my behaviour? Why are the posters who cause situation Two getting a pass.

It's very straightforward if someone posts in good faith then I'm as nice as nice can be, however if they are dishonest they deserve to be taken to task on it. Don't be dishonest it's pretty simple.

I said before we don't partake in right and wrong anymore it's just a game of whose the worst. I'm not apologising for wanting people to be honest.

It's a football forum there is no reason no to, if someone tries to insult my intelligence they ain't getting hugs and kisses. That's just the way I am. I didn't know being truthful was such a problem. It's all a bit depressing.
 

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