PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[1961_vintage]

My view is if the PL had any irrefutable evidence of wrong doing, this case would have been done by now any any punishment would have been meted out.

I don't think they believed they ever had a strong enough case. They have spun it out in order to create the maximum damage possible. And to that end they have succeeded.

 

[GOULDYBOBS]

All down to the ground with industrial strength pyrotechnics, blue fares and smokies, Lord Pannick & Khaldoon face masks.

Horns baring down Deansgate.

Make it like a title win !!

I'll get my best cagoule out

 

[Judge Roughneck]

The substantial legal costs of the PL to be paid by the 20 member clubs of the PL . The costs are staggering, so if the PL lose it and Masters become untenable. The PL are in a hopeless position MCFC know it and are going for the jugular.

They cannot say they weren't warned. Khaldoon told them that 30m would be spent to maintain our integrity if needed.
They didn't listen and now they are going to get it, both fucking barrels.
I hope Masters ends up sat on a box in an unfurnished flat above a Kebab shop, contemplating his very existence.

 

[deano ou812]

Strange that some are saying why didn’t we take the 6 point deduction ( if the rumours are true of a settlement) why would we want to take a settlement when we could possibly clear ourselves of everything,the settlement would only have the media narrative of we cheated and would continue to whip knuckle draggers up into a frenzy ..Yes you could say that would happen if we are cleared well I would rather be cleared and laugh at the cnuts than know we took a settlement meaning they will definitely say we are guilty..

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

A settlement would be an admission of wrongdoing. We've said 'fuck that' for a very good reason and rightly so.
Keep the faith, Blues. Our guys have got this.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

PB: I am very appreciative of your informed comments and positive outlook on this situation. I, also, remain optimistic about the outcome. I just wonder if, should the judgement go City’s way, that City may try to turn the tables and go for punitive damages against certain actors? Sorry if this has already been covered.

I simply couldn't say.

The club usually likes to keep things low-key but I'd like to think this has been the final straw for them. The Der Spiegel articles at least gave UEFA a reasonable basis for launching their investigation, which CAS agreed with.

But the ultimate failure of that, and the revoking of the 2-season ban, should have been the end. Given the outcome at CAS, it's hard not to characterise the PL's charges as an act of pure spite.

 

[1961_vintage]

Strange that some are saying why didn’t we take the 6 point deduction ( if the rumours are true of a settlement)

I doubt that deducting 6 points from each of the witch-hunt leading cartel clubs would be considered adequate punishment from our perspective.

 

[marco]

Strange that some are saying why didn’t we take the 6 point deduction ( if the rumours are true of a settlement) why would we want to take a settlement when we could possibly clear ourselves of everything,the settlement would only have the media narrative of we cheated and would continue to whip knuckle draggers up into a frenzy ..Yes you could say that would happen if we are cleared well I would rather be cleared and laugh at the cnuts than know we took a settlement meaning they will definitely say are guilty..

all very strange this 6 point business, certainly not enough to relegate us, infact it would hardly impact our season,recoverable over a two week period if other results went our way, ok it may have been 10 points if dished out at a hearing but still 10 is recoverable

 

[domalino]

Most cases don't have the political issue the PL has here - optically difficult for them to settle without City accepting wrongdoing which City are naturally reluctant to do. The parties really should have found a way to settle before the charges but likely too late now.

I’m guessing it must also be quite rare for one of the parties to be a stakeholder of the other and the direct competitor of every other stakeholder?

 

[Betterdeedthan red]

all very strange this 6 point business, certainly not enough to relegate us, infact it would hardly impact our season,recoverable over a two week period if other results went our way, ok it may have been 10 points if dished out at a hearing but still 10 is recoverable

Where has this 6 point thing come from.
Is it reliable?.
Or more bullshit

 

[terraloon]

I couldn't understand your response at first but think I've got it now.

There's a big difference in doing something that's deliberately deceptive and doing something you believe you have good grounds for. It's the difference between acting in bad faith and good faith.

For example, we proved to the comfortable satisfaction of the CAS panel that the Etihad sponsorship wasn't disguised equity investment, as we presented evidence that it had come from a source other than ADUG. So unless the PL has an email or other evidence that specifically contradicts that testimony, they will struggle to prove it. If they do have cogent evidence that there was a conspiracy to lie and mislead the panel, then we would be in serious trouble.

Same for Fordham. We didn't do that to hide expenses but to bring in revenue. I assume we took good legal and financial advice about that, and that we didn't act in deliberate bad faith. But the IC could potentially still find us in breach of something, but not that we acted deceptively.

There was a program the other day where a an actual court case was actually re run with word for word from the transcript re run in front of two juries.

The two juries can to different conclusions.

My point is that even if the evidence is exactly the same different panels won’t necessarily reach the same decision then you have to factor in the different jurisdictions namely the PL rulebook and UEFas then CAS operates under Swiss Law and the PL under English Law

One final point is that surely it wasn’t that City proved to a comfortable satisfaction it was surely the fact that UEFa didn’t

 

[failsworthblueboy]

all very strange this 6 point business, certainly not enough to relegate us, infact it would hardly impact our season,recoverable over a two week period if other results went our way, ok it may have been 10 points if dished out at a hearing but still 10 is recoverable

Maybe a 10 point reduction is recoverable but, I expect plenty more bullshit rumors over and do not believe this one, can you imagine the Media frenzy over a 10 point reduction, the red Cartel would go into meltdown and would appeal the decision in heartbeat, and if the rules didn't allow them to appeal, they would have the rules changed.

 

[marco]

Where has this 6 point thing come from.
Is it reliable?.
Or more bullshit

if you go back on here youl find it, PB mentioned it, you need to make your own mind up about it but PB is a very credible poster infact one of the most knowledgeable on here

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

There was a program the other day where a an actual court case was actually re run with word for word from the transcript re run in front of two juries.

The two juries can to different conclusions.

My point is that even if the evidence is exactly the same different panels won’t necessarily reach the same decision then you have to factor in the different jurisdictions namely the PL rulebook and UEFas then CAS operates under Swiss Law and the PL under English Law

One final point is that surely it wasn’t that City proved to a comfortable satisfaction it was surely the fact that UEFa didn’t

I'd agree with that. The only contrary point is that we did prove, to the comfortable satisfaction of the panel, that the additional payment of the Etihad sponsorship didn't come from ADUG, UEFA couldn't prove otherwise.

 

[ufo]

With the little bit of information coming to light yesterday about MCFC refusing to settle out of court raises the the question where is the the substantial amount of money coming from to pay for the PL legal bill ? This case which the PL brought against MCFC pushed by the red cartel will be the most expensive in PL history and probably ever . So again where is the money coming from ? Who is paying the PL legal bill ………….

I asked that question before and I don’t understand why city has to pay double legal fees to fuck us and not to fuck us .
Weird situation tbf

 

[gocity]

We’d have taken a deal if we weren’t 100% confident.

What proof do you have we were offered a deal, nobody knows. It's like make believe suddenly becoming reality.

 

[citykos]

A settlement would be an admission of wrong doing. We've said 'fuck that' for a very good reason and rightly so.
Keep the faith, Blues. Our guys have got this.

Maybe the settlement is about 'not cooporating' with investigation.

 

[ufo]

What proof do you have we were offered a deal, nobody knows. It's like make believe suddenly becoming reality.

Are you inspector Clouseau ?

 

[ufo]

Maybe the settlement is about 'not cooporating' with investigation.

nothing but a shitty poker move by desperate masters and pl. Lord Pannick is not going to fall for his bluff

 

[marco]

What proof do you have we were offered a deal, nobody knows. It's like make believe suddenly becoming reality.

go back on the thread and read, please do keep up ;-)