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Mr Kobayashi said:
How much did Boris receive for the flat renovation?

The figure of £60,000 seems low when the cost of renovation was quoted at 200K.

Doesn't the frivolous spending on a temporary residence alarm you at all?

There was plenty more to go in the pot.

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Is he a Labour MP? I thought this was the Labour Government thread.

Anyway, I've no idea on the specifics of the above, but on face value it looks iffy. But that is kind of the point completely missed by Rachel Thieves in her TV interview this morning. Saying things are declared does NOT mean they are automatically OK.

Gifts should be declared so that the public and relevant overseers can inspect them to determine IF they are OK, and in many cases, they clearly are not.

The Premier League paying Starmer £4,000 for Taylor Swift tickets, is clearly NOT OK, whether declared on not.

www.bbc.co.uk

Football Governance Bill: Labour reintroduces bill for independent regulator

New legislation will grant powers to a body to oversee clubs in England's top five tiers.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
Chippy_boy said:
Is he a Labour MP? I thought this was the Labour Government thread.

Anyway, I've no idea on the specifics of the above, but on face value it looks iffy. But that is kind of the point completely missed by Rachel Thieves in her TV interview this morning. Saying things are declared does NOT mean they are automatically OK.

Gifts should be declared so that the public and relevant overseers can inspect them to determine IF they are OK, and in many cases, they clearly are not.
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It was clear corruption. Boris gave Brownlow the impression he would approve the plans for the great exhibition and then let him setup a trust to fund his Crinkly Bottom inspired renovation.

Pay attention to the date. At that point he had only been elected by Tory MPs and members.
 
Is it too much to ask for Starmer and his missus to buy their own clothes and all that other shit Keith is getting for free?

And why are people trying to explain it away as okay? They are meant to represent the working class.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
It was clear corruption. Boris gave Brownlow the impression he would approve the plans for the great exhibition and then let him setup a trust to fund his Crinkly Bottom inspired renovation.

Pay attention to the date. At that point he had only been elected by Tory MPs and members.
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Fine, if you say so - lIke I said, I don't know the details.

Does not in any way justify further corruption by any party's MPs does it.
 
Lowtower said:
Is it too much to ask for Starmer and his missus to buy their own clothes and all that other shit Keith is getting for free?

And why are people trying to explain it away as okay? They are meant to represent the working class.
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They don't represent the working class. Starmer accepted labour's largest donation ever just before the election, from a tax haven-based hedge fund with shares in oil and arms. £4m.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Whether they have broken the rules or not (although they have in certain cases (like Rayner not declaring her chum being accommodated for free in NY, for example), is that really your point?

It's OK to take bungs and splurge on expenses so long as you don't break the rules? Whilst taking £300 a year off people on £10k income per year? Taking money for your personal clothes and trying to hide it as "office expenses". You think this is morally acceptable?

And please don't tell me "well it's not a as bad as what the Tories did". What the Tories may or may not have done, is irrelevant. The Tories are not in power, Labour are. And we are talking about Labour are doing, on the Labour thread.
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You're choosing to link 2 completely seperate issues, as I'm sure the Daily Mail and Telegraph and GBN are doing. But just think what you're suggesting:

That Starmer taking donations from a known Labour donor in 2019-2024 whilst in opposition, should have a material impact on policy then introduced when they are in government?

If the rules need to change on this stuff, then so be it, but don't conflate two completely separate issues as you have done.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
Have you got any evidence that it was corruption?
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It sort of smells a bit.

https://www.ft.com/content/8550022e-bfa3-4d87-b493-09baffba45c9


Lord Alli has also made several gifts to MPs, including a £1.2mn loan to help MP Siobhain McDonagh move house so that her sick sister could be cared for, £16,200 for Starmer to buy work clothing, and £20,000 in accommodation costs for the prime minister during the election campaign. Over the past year, Alli has made donations to four cabinet ministers: Starmer, foreign secretary David Lammy, deputy prime minister Angela Rayner and education secretary Bridget Phillipson.

He also donated to Liam Conlon (Sue Gray’s son) who upon winning his seat at first attempt was made a Parliamentary Private Secretary. Quite the job for someone who’d only been an MP for a couple of weeks.

Lord Alli then got his free pass to Downing Street.

All above board you’ll say. Looking beyond that what about the appointments of Labour donors to civil service roles. The new Labour government came under fire earlier this month for hiring Ian Corfield, a former banker and business adviser who made political donations to chancellor Rachel Reeves, to a senior role in the Treasury. Following criticism of the appointment, Corfield has opted to leave the paid government position and instead take on a role as a temporary, unpaid adviser to the Treasury, according to people briefed on the move. Former consultant Emily Middleton was also named a director-general in the Department for Science, Innovation and Technology after she was seconded to the Labour party while it was in opposition. The firm where she was a partner, Public Digital, had offered secondments worth more than £65,000 to the team of Peter Kyle, shadow technology secretary at the time, including Middleton’s own position.

Corruption or Cronyism? You decide but you’ve got to admit it’s not great look.
 
hampshireblue said:
You're choosing to link 2 completely seperate issues, as I'm sure the Daily Mail and Telegraph and GBN are doing. But just think what you're suggesting:

That Starmer taking donations from a known Labour donor in 2019-2024 whilst in opposition, should have a material impact on policy then introduced when they are in government?

If the rules need to change on this stuff, then so be it, but don't conflate two completely separate issues as you have done.
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I don't think they are two seperate issues. The first ticket was for June of this year and a later on in August.

It is nonsense to pretend that this is unconnectred because Starmer was not PM in June. It was obvious to everyone in June - including everyone at the Premier League - that he would shortly be the next Prime Minister. And then there's the August tickets.

The government announced in July that it would be pressing ahead with the Football Regulation Bill and you honestly don't see any potential conflct of interest with the Premier League giving him £4,000 of free tickets to a concert?

Someone would have to be a VERY partisan pro-Labour to not see that this is "inappropriate", to say the least. It would get you sacked at most companies, I suggest.

EDIT: I reflected upon this after posting it. I am currently in sales, and for my job, I negotiate multi-million pound contracts with new and existing customers. To imagine that I could accept thousands of pounds worth of Taylor Swift tickets - some only for my wife - from one of the parties who would be impacted by the contract??? It's mind boggling. I wouldn't entertain doing so in a million years.

If nothing else, it demonstrates that Starmer has appallingly bad judgement on such matters.
 
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metalblue said:
It sort of smells a bit.

https://www.ft.com/content/8550022e-bfa3-4d87-b493-09baffba45c9


Lord Alli has also made several gifts to MPs, including a £1.2mn loan to help MP Siobhain McDonagh move house so that her sick sister could be cared for, £16,200 for Starmer to buy work clothing, and £20,000 in accommodation costs for the prime minister during the election campaign. Over the past year, Alli has made donations to four cabinet ministers: Starmer, foreign secretary David Lammy, deputy prime minister Angela Rayner and education secretary Bridget Phillipson.

He also donated to Liam Conlon (Sue Gray’s son) who upon winning his seat at first attempt was made a Parliamentary Private Secretary. Quite the job for someone who’d only been an MP for a couple of weeks.

Lord Alli then got his free pass to Downing Street.

All above board you’ll say. Looking beyond that what about the appointments of Labour donors to civil service roles. The new Labour government came under fire earlier this month for hiring Ian Corfield, a former banker and business adviser who made political donations to chancellor Rachel Reeves, to a senior role in the Treasury. Following criticism of the appointment, Corfield has opted to leave the paid government position and instead take on a role as a temporary, unpaid adviser to the Treasury, according to people briefed on the move. Former consultant Emily Middleton was also named a director-general in the Department for Science, Innovation and Technology after she was seconded to the Labour party while it was in opposition. The firm where she was a partner, Public Digital, had offered secondments worth more than £65,000 to the team of Peter Kyle, shadow technology secretary at the time, including Middleton’s own position.

Corruption or Cronyism? You decide but you’ve got to admit it’s not great look.
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Lord Alli seems to give a lot of money out for just a free pass to number 10?

Maybe he's just exceptionally generous to his friends.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I don't think they are two seperate issues. The first ticket was for June of this year and a later on in August.

It is nonsense to pretend that this is unconnectred because Starmer was not PM in June. It was obvious to everyone in June - including everyone at the Premier League - that he would shortly be the next Prime Minister. And then there's the August tickets.

The government announced in July that it would be pressing ahead with the Football Regulation Bill and you honestly don't see any potential conflct of interest with the Premier League giving him £4,000 of free tickets to a concert?

Someone would have to be a VERY partisan pro-Labour to not see that this is "inappropriate", to say the least. It would get you sacked at most companies, I suggest.

EDIT: I reflected upon this after posting it. I am currently in sales, and for my job, I negotiate multi-million pound contracts with new and existing customers. To imagine that I could accept thousands of pounds worth of Taylor Swift tickets - some only for my wife - from one of the parties who would be impacted by the contract??? It's mind boggling. I wouldn't entertain doing so in a million years.

If nothing else, it demonstrates that Starmer has appallingly bad judgement on such matters.
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Same. Like many, if not all of us fortunate enough to get offered anything, if I get offered external entertainment or gifts (rarely) I have to run it through my line manager and compliance at a minimum before accepting. Even if it’s is completely legal above board I may get told no because it doesn’t “look” good.

I guess you might say the firms we work for are more concerned about their reputation than successive British governments.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
It was a job he seems to have been qualified for? But he no longer holds it.
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Johnson is no longer PM so not sure that’s really as strong an argument as you think.

No idea if he was qualified. Was the job advertised? Who else applied? What was his CV like compared to others? etc etc.

I get it, you can’t criticise them and will die on every hill going.
 
hcblue95 said:
They don't represent the working class. Starmer accepted labour's largest donation ever just before the election, from a tax haven-based hedge fund with shares in oil and arms. £4m.
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Conveniently timed so it didn't have to be declared pre election .... something Keith has form for.


“During his bid to become leader of the Labour Party, Starmer refused to contemporaneously publish details of who had donated to his leadership campaign. His rivals, Rebecca Long-Bailey and Lisa Nandy, agreed to share details of their donors in real-time, which they published. Starmer, however, decided only to declare his donations via his MP's register of interests, which created a significant lag between when Starmer accepted his donations and when they were made public.

“Labour members, as a result, had no idea at the time of voting that Starmer had been funded with large donations from the likes of wealthy millionaires like Martin Taylor and Sir Trevor Chinn and Baron Waheed Ali; the latter now at the centre of the furore about Starmer's acceptance of gratuities.”
www.opendemocracy.net

Labour handed £4m from tax haven-based hedge fund

Quadrature’s donation is noteworthy not just for being Labour’s largest-ever, but for its timing ahead of election
www.opendemocracy.net www.opendemocracy.net

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