City launch legal action against the Premier League | Club & PL reach settlement | Proceedings dropped (p1147)

Centurions said:
Presumably he's referring to this article:-


Although it only says it's "imminent" (yes, really).

It does name the 3 judges which I don't think I've seen previously but then I've been busy as the wife had a couple of mini strokes. I'm only on here as a sort of time out :(

"The Lawyer website has reported that the independent panel involved in the APT arbitration is made up of three of the most experienced and respected judges in the country. The three tribunal members are all retired senior judges: Sir Nigel Teare, Lord John Dyson KC and Christopher Vajda KC.
Lord Dyson, a former Master of the Rolls, is also a former Justice of the Supreme Court and over the past five years has sat on the appeal tribunals for Sheffield Wednesday, Derby County and Nottingham Forest’s PSR cases."
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Best wishes for your wife mate
 
Centurions said:
Presumably he's referring to this article:-


Although it only says it's "imminent" (yes, really).

It does name the 3 judges which I don't think I've seen previously but then I've been busy as the wife had a couple of mini strokes. I'm only on here as a sort of time out :(

"The Lawyer website has reported that the independent panel involved in the APT arbitration is made up of three of the most experienced and respected judges in the country. The three tribunal members are all retired senior judges: Sir Nigel Teare, Lord John Dyson KC and Christopher Vajda KC.
Lord Dyson, a former Master of the Rolls, is also a former Justice of the Supreme Court and over the past five years has sat on the appeal tribunals for Sheffield Wednesday, Derby County and Nottingham Forest’s PSR cases."
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I hope your wife's ok and she makes a full recovery.
 
Keeper! said:
Listen to the Athletic podcast on this case, a very good listen.

They made a very good argument that say a UAE business wants to sponsor us because it's makes them look good and brings in very good revenue/exposure in that area, they are more than happy to pay a premium to make that happen.
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Can you please link to the relevant podcast? Thanks
 
Centurions said:
Presumably he's referring to this article:-


Although it only says it's "imminent" (yes, really).

It does name the 3 judges which I don't think I've seen previously but then I've been busy as the wife had a couple of mini strokes. I'm only on here as a sort of time out :(

"The Lawyer website has reported that the independent panel involved in the APT arbitration is made up of three of the most experienced and respected judges in the country. The three tribunal members are all retired senior judges: Sir Nigel Teare, Lord John Dyson KC and Christopher Vajda KC.
Lord Dyson, a former Master of the Rolls, is also a former Justice of the Supreme Court and over the past five years has sat on the appeal tribunals for Sheffield Wednesday, Derby County and Nottingham Forest’s PSR cases."
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Sorry to hear that blue I hope she recovers soon
 
There will be a load of click bait articles either way trying to get people to think it's related to the 115/129 case.

City lose cae against PL - relegate the cheats.
City win case - City bribed someone to get off with it all
 
It's mad to think that if it's UAE sponsorship it's deemed questionable in terms of over market value etc. And yet if its from the USA it's deemed just fine regardless.

Let's not forget, over 10 years ago the rags signed a $600m shirt sponsor with Chevrolet that was so obscenely over inflated that the executive who signed it was fired by Chevrolet themselves. Yet, there was no widespread media or PL concern that the deal was questionable....
 
halfcenturyup said:
It may be one of the easier "wins", though, as my feeling is s that the PL has no right to demand anything of third parties (compare to investigations, for example).

Pretty sure there are other more meaty areas up for grabs, but we shall have to wait and see :)
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I'm a bit bored of speculating when we have very little to go on, but it's difficult not to.

As regards requiring third party information, for me, it's not so much that they have attempted to award themselves the powers but that they can then punish the subject of the investigation if the third party tells them to f-off which they are perfectly entitled to do. That is one draconian power they want there that even a government would baulk at.

As regards it not being "meaty", I reckon the ramifications as regards cooperation could be pretty far reaching. All very frustrating.
 
Newman Noggs said:
I'm a bit bored of speculating when we have very little to go on, but it's difficult not to.

As regards requiring third party information, for me, it's not so much that they have attempted to award themselves the powers but that they can then punish the subject of the investigation if the third party tells them to f-off which they are perfectly entitled to do. That is one draconian power they want there that even a government would baulk at.

As regards it not being "meaty", I reckon the ramifications as regards cooperation could be pretty far reaching. All very frustrating.
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Agree. And it is likely to put organisations off investing in football. Which presumably is not positive for anyone
 
halfcenturyup said:
No lawyer, but .....

I think the difference is that the salary cap in the Saracens case was applied equally across all clubs in the league. The APT rules, as can be shown by the timing of their introduction and the definition of associated party, unfairly affect clubs that have a certain type of owner and a consequent type of business model.

I don't know if the club really has the goal of having the whole set of APT rules thrown out (if they wanted that they could have tried that between November 2023 and February 2024, for example). I suppose they could, though, and if they do they will probably not be successful for the stated reasons (which are probably also the reasons FFP itself has never been challenged).

I think it is more likely the club are aiming to have the more discriminatory rules and definitions changed to more generic terms that apply equally irrespective of who the owners care and what the business model is. They could have success there, I think (and let's not forget there were rules around the value of related party transactions before the APT rules, it's not like there isn't a fall-back position for the PL).

Which may be why some press reports say some wins and some defeats for both parties.

By the way, this doesn't mean that the club isn't asking for an assessment of the whole rule set. Why not aim high? I am suggesting their goal is to remove the discriminatory and unnecessarily burdensome nature of the February rule changes to the club and other clubs in the same situation.
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An excellent post btw. Your analysis makes complete sense and logic would suggest that there are wins for both parties but then logic doesn’t always prevail. Having said that I think your points are on the money
 
Probably pedantry but I think only City can "win" in this case because we brought the action and the PL has already implemented its rules. The best the PL can hope for is not to "lose". So, if we have any success at all we've "won" the case.

As far as I'm concerned, if the PL don't lose, they'll have got off with it on a technicality.
 
Newman Noggs said:
I'm a bit bored of speculating when we have very little to go on, but it's difficult not to.

As regards requiring third party information, for me, it's not so much that they have attempted to award themselves the powers but that they can then punish the subject of the investigation if the third party tells them to f-off which they are perfectly entitled to do. That is one draconian power they want there that even a government would baulk at.

As regards it not being "meaty", I reckon the ramifications as regards cooperation could be pretty far reaching. All very frustrating.
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Right on all counts.

Not sure about the importance with regard to non-cooperation with the 115, though. The wording of the rules on non-cooperation are pretty clear: external information "when able to do so". The question for the 115 is whether the club were "able to do so", I think.

For the APT rules, I think the questions are, firstly, if the PL has the right to impose on the club and the associated party the requirement to provide a statement of fair value and, secondly, whether the PL has the right to draw negative implications from a club's inability to get such a confirmation. Neither of which are competition law issues, I think. Or maybe they are and this is all bullshit :)
 
Centurions said:
Presumably he's referring to this article:-


Although it only says it's "imminent" (yes, really).

It does name the 3 judges which I don't think I've seen previously but then I've been busy as the wife had a couple of mini strokes. I'm only on here as a sort of time out :(

"The Lawyer website has reported that the independent panel involved in the APT arbitration is made up of three of the most experienced and respected judges in the country. The three tribunal members are all retired senior judges: Sir Nigel Teare, Lord John Dyson KC and Christopher Vajda KC.
Lord Dyson, a former Master of the Rolls, is also a former Justice of the Supreme Court and over the past five years has sat on the appeal tribunals for Sheffield Wednesday, Derby County and Nottingham Forest’s PSR cases."
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Lord Dyson , master of the rolls

 
PPT said:
Reputation is absolutely critical to the overwhelming majority of these people. It’s the currency they trade In and off.
To dismiss it lightly is very silly imho.
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That is a good point, that fails on our UEFA charge, it also fails with our first UEFA charge, being seen to have the letters after the name is the reputation, getting the job done to the standard who ever pays, i would put as being more important to those that pay.
 
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