PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

bobbyowenquiff said:
Sportswashing is a sound bite slogan created by human rights groups to help promote their cause. The idea that Gulf countries only invest money to enhance their image is absurd.
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the word was first coined in 2019 - the Sheikh thought buying us in 2009 would deflect attention if the UAE was accused of HR violations a decade later.
 
Manchester1894 said:
We don't have a thread for the doomsday aspect of the case but my mind does wander into a what if scenario. Not through belief I might add, it's just most clubs want us in league 2 and even if it got to that point. How the hell would it work in principle? Would we even be able to run it? Or would overheads push us directly into admin?
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Listen. The Premier League couldn't even get the initial charge sheet right without errors in it. They've also messed up charges against other clubs. They are completely incompetent when it comes to regulation matters (hence why the government wanted to step in). The sheer complexity of tasks involved for them to appropriately manage any doomsday scenario for us e.g. relegation, retrospective points deductions, title stripping etc would be beyond them. They have created a rod for their own back here and that's even in the event that they 'win' the case...
 
Manchester1894 said:
We don't have a thread for the doomsday aspect of the case but my mind does wander into a what if scenario. Not through belief I might add, it's just most clubs want us in league 2 and even if it got to that point. How the hell would it work in principle? Would we even be able to run it? Or would overheads push us directly into admin?
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Firstly the only power, aside from the nuclear option of total exclusion, is to dock City points, if this is sufficient to result in relegation then we go to the Championship. There is no power to send us to another division as this is a PL tribunal. I would expect that we would have sufficient funds to escape back to the PL in one season and pass EFL PSR We would of course be faced with loosing players who weren't prepared to play in the Championship in which case they would be sold and generate funds
 
Moss Side's Finest said:
Listen. The Premier League couldn't even get the initial charge sheet right without errors in it. They've also messed up charges against other clubs. They are completely incompetent when it comes to regulation matters (hence why the government wanted to step in). The sheer complexity of tasks involved for them to appropriately manage any doomsday scenario for us e.g. relegation, retrospective points deductions, title stripping etc would be beyond them. They have created a rod for their own back here and that's even in the event that they 'win' the case...
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Oh I know, but it's a lazy Thursday in October and I've got nothing to do at work
Div 2 talk is fanciful. But think we'd struggle it that 0.0001 l% event happened.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Criticism of City's ownership can be broken down into four distinct categories...

The first is universalism, the Nick Harris, Guardian angle...

Universalism in ethics is the idea that ethical principles and standards are universal and apply to all people, regardless of their culture, race, or other distinguishing features. It's a controversial claim that's common in many ethical traditions and political appeals to universal human rights.

The UAE falls foul of universalism, because, to put it crudely, they fall short of the liberal western values so beloved of Guardian reading Islington luvvies. Universalism flies in the face of cultural and religious differences and the basics of self determination, it's the left's equivalent of the White Man's Burden, it's not racism per se, the same folk who despise our owners tend to worship the Palestinians.

The Americans...

The Americans, or more to the point American capitalism, hates us, we're long term investment for sustained success, profitability and asset value growth. The American model is short term, cash cow, rigged market.

Jealousy...

Nuff said.

Racism...

We cheat coz that's what Arabs do.
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Maybe the UK or US could have ethics that look after their citizens.
  • free education in national schools and universities
  • free healthcare in national hospitals (and private for Abu Dhabi)
  • scholarships for university for high achievers
  • free land for new families , which take couple of years to get
  • subsidized loan with zero interest to build hous on that Land. ( Abu Dhabi citizins)
  • Government jobs for Citizens prioritised
  • Significantly cheaper electricity and water tariffs.
  • Also they have exclusive access to diwans of sheikhs, where they could ask for favours, exceptions, pardons, etc.
 
elbearos said:
Let me know when something happens please
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Moss Side's Finest said:
Listen. The Premier League couldn't even get the initial charge sheet right without errors in it. They've also messed up charges against other clubs. They are completely incompetent when it comes to regulation matters (hence why the government wanted to step in). The sheer complexity of tasks involved for them to appropriately manage any doomsday scenario for us e.g. relegation, retrospective points deductions, title stripping etc would be beyond them. They have created a rod for their own back here and that's even in the event that they 'win' the case...
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Brings back fond memories of Masters and Parry at the commons select committee being told by the chair ‘you don’t know what you’re doing’
 
halfcenturyup said:
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That takes me back to QPR in 2012…….
 
cheekybids said:
Human Rights watch has criticised Israel more than UAE but that doesn’t make the headlines.
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Last time I looked the UAE wasn’t even in the top 100 on the list for human rights abuse. It was below most of Africa, Asia, and South America for starters. Not to mention the USA, China, Russia, and Saudi. The criticism of the UAE has been a false narrative since Sheikh Mansour bought City.
 
halfcenturyup said:
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Whhhhoooooooooooooooaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Hang on a sec !!
 
cheekybids said:
Maybe the UK or US could have ethics that look after their citizens.
  • free education in national schools and universities
  • free healthcare in national hospitals (and private for Abu Dhabi)
  • scholarships for university for high achievers
  • free land for new families , which take couple of years to get
  • subsidized loan with zero interest to build hous on that Land. ( Abu Dhabi citizins)
  • Government jobs for Citizens prioritised
  • Significantly cheaper electricity and water tariffs.
  • Also they have exclusive access to diwans of sheikhs, where they could ask for favours, exceptions, pardons, etc.
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No mention of roads or aqueducts I see.

Not that good then.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Last time I looked the UAE wasn’t even in the top 100 on the list for human rights abuse. It was below most of Africa, Asia, and South America for starters. Not to mention the USA, China, Russia, and Saudi. The criticism of the UAE has been a false narrative since Sheikh Mansour bought City.
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Wrong - the UAE has the 31st worst human rights in the world:

ourworldindata.org

Human rights index

Data by V-Dem. Expert estimates of the extent to which people are free from government torture, political killings, and forced labor, have property rights, and enjoy the freedoms of movement, religion, expression, and association. The index ranges from 0 to 1 (most rights).
ourworldindata.org ourworldindata.org

The USA has the 21st best.
 
halfcenturyup said:
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All hail the Pythons!
The perfect fumble said:
That's why the sports washing accusations are complete bollocks, it's not a thing, it's completely made up.

The UAE is not engaged in sports washing coz they've nothing to wash. The people of the UAE will get to wherever it is they're going under their own steam and in their own time and their position in some league table of universal human rights, drafted in New York, London or Brussels, means absolutely nothing to them and likewise the vast majority of people on this planet in all its glorious diversity.
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You could make a reasonable case for ‘sports washing’ falling under the wider umbrella of the UAE’s 2017 Soft Power Strategy, so it perhaps shouldn’t be dismissed totally out of hand, but personally I don’t think that was the sole, or even primary, reason SM bought the club. It’s a convenient stick to beat us with either way
 
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bobbyowenquiff said:
Sportswashing is a sound bite slogan created by human rights groups to help promote their cause. The idea that Gulf countries only invest money to enhance their image is absurd.
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It really annoys me when I hear that slogan used. Every nation going is "washing" their image through a combination of policies/investments. This country does significant business with Saudi Arabia which barely gets a mention. But should they try and invest in a football club, host a World Cup or promote boxing/football in their own country we suddenly have a huge issue with it.

There are complicated politics, which are largely none of our business. If they follow religious scripture as the basis of their laws - which condemn homosexuality for example, then who are we to judge. It wasn't that different in western countries that long ago. And some of them still have plenty of issues/objections to it within large parts of their population.

In terms of construction workers and the number that die on construction projects. One of the major contributing factors to that, which is never really mentioned, is people are lying about their skills in order to get the jobs. You've got people coming from absolute poverty in other nations and they're willing to do anything to get paid more money. They'll lie about their skillset to get those jobs, and it's not like England where we have extensive laws around construction and health and safety (which still get breached fairly regularly). That doesn't make it okay, and there's still so much more they could and should do to improve things, but it's a major factor.
 
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