PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Prestwich_Blue]

So you don't rate my theory that the PL had no option to forward the allegations to arbitration (other than dropping the case) after City refused point blank to provide third party evidence to the investigation (for several reasons). There was undoubtedly pressure on the PL to open the investigation, and to eventually refer the allegations to a tribunal, but I get the impression it is City driving this in the way they want, rather than the PL or their influencers, and it will go the way of CAS when the club gets third party evidence involved.

Could all be bollocks, of course.

PL had no choice, as the referral to an independent panel is the rule by which they have to resolve disciplinary issues of this type. They opened an investigation and came to us for the evidence, as per UEFA. We'd have argued against providing anything our lawyers regarded as 'fishing', that we considered wasn't strictly necessary to their case.

Based on the evidence we provided (and we have provided plenty apparently) they felt there was enough to justify invoking disciplinary measures and passed the case to a panel, as per their rules. But we know that all the issues in this case (as far as we can see) have been dealt with by UEFA at some point, without sanction.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I thought CAS wasn’t an option if we were found guilty

Go the way of CAS as in UEFA charged the club in 2019 with little to no evidence, City provided third party evidence to CAS against the allegations and CAS found in favour of the club.

No recourse to CAS this time, but the principle is the same, imo.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

I thought CAS wasn’t an option if we were found guilty

I don't think he was implying that. Rather, the verdict will be replicated as per CAS.

 

[M18CTID]

Whilst us as city fans feel the digs, snidey comments, bias reporting and even I'd suggest , legitimising of hating mcfc to the point of validating violence, the issue with us seeking any thing for damages to our reputation, possible losses or growth, is simply this....

What have they actually prevented us for doing? We've still won record amounts of silverware, the numbers show we've grown to be one of, if not the, biggest brand in the world, and we have a strong and steady plan for the future which means we will be ok and competitive regardless.

In that respect, our detractors could never win but it does mean that we would have a hard time convincing anyone that we've lost out when we're sat on a pile of silverware and profit.

An interesting take that I agree with to a large extent. In any case, if exonerated it's not really in our interests to "bankrupt the PL" but I would add that if we were in possession of evidence pointing to collusion between various clubs - and Khaldoon and Pep have implied something along those lines - in an attempt to destroy us simply because they don't like the fact that we're so successful, AND those clubs knew there was no discernible proof of wrongdoing on our part then I believe we would have a genuine case to take action against those clubs. I wouldn't like to speculate on the figures involved and I know it's America rather than the UK but I can see possible parallels with the Dominion/FOX case where FOX smeared Dominion's name based on innuendo and nothing else. Of course it could be argued that it might not be in our interests to do that either as taking our competitors down a peg or three could lead to the title battle being a one-horse race for many years to come, but on the flip side if we were to just let it slide it might empower them to try and have another go at bringing us down.

 

[Spanishbob]

An interesting take that I agree with to a large extent. In any case, if exonerated it's not really in our interests to "bankrupt the PL" but I would add that if we were in possession of evidence pointing to collusion between various clubs - and Khaldoon and Pep have implied something along those lines - in an attempt to destroy us simply because they don't like the fact that we're so successful, AND those clubs knew there was no discernible proof of wrongdoing on our part then I believe we would have a genuine case to take action against those clubs. I wouldn't like to speculate on the figures involved and I know it's America rather than the UK but I can see possible parallels with the Dominion/FOX case where FOX smeared Dominion's name based on innuendo and nothing else. Of course it could be argued that it might not be in our interests to do that either as taking our competitors down a peg or three could lead to the title battle being a one-horse race for many years to come, but on the flip side if we were to just let it slide it might empower them to try and have another go at bringing us down.

And by the same thinking it would be a one horse race with those who seek to stymie us.

 

[wolviedinho]

The public perception of the city charges is not real. The blowback will be funny and a joy to watch, not because of a city win but because they have been told a pack of lies.

Not 1 journalist had bothered to try and dig into the accusations. Instead it’s all taken as a mechanism to sell negative stories.

I will be taking the week off work when it drops .

 

[manimanc]

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Legacy clubs doing their best to hold on to their power but they are fighting a losing battle. Their agenda will soon be exposed, if not exposed already. The world is waking up to the BS. City beating these charges will expose what has been lurking underneath.

And it is just what khaldoon said in one of the end of season interviews.

He said something along the lines of people need to be careful what they are saying and that we know stuff.

I hope this all ends up a bloody mess and the pricks running the premier league come out of it looking like the shithouses they are.

 

[halfcenturyup]

PL had no choice, as the referral to an independent panel is the rule by which they have to resolve disciplinary issues of this type. They opened an investigation and came to us for the evidence, as per UEFA. We'd have argued against providing anything our lawyers regarded as 'fishing', that we considered wasn't strictly necessary to their case.

Based on the evidence we provided (and we have provided plenty apparently) they felt there was enough to justify invoking disciplinary measures and passed the case to a panel, as per their rules. But we know that all the issues in this case (as far as we can see) have been dealt with by UEFA at some point, without sanction.

Fair enough, I just get the impression the club hasn't provided third party evidence to the investigation. Yes, thousands of pages of the club's financial information so they can say they cooperated fully (as far as they think they had to), but nothing external (which is where the real counter-evidence is). Plenty of reasons for that, but the new rule for clubs to make best efforts to provide third party evidence isn't a coincidence, of course. Nor was the club challenging that new rules couldn't be applied to prior years.

Just a theory, but it answers questions people are asking like i) why did the PL charge the club if they have no evidence? (the better question for me is what else could the PL do if no convincing evidence was presented against the allegations?) ii) why did the PL charge the club with non-cooperation and acting in bad faith when we say we have fully cooperated? (because we didn't recognise the requirement to provide third party information and we have deliberately withheld it until the panel). iii) Why did the PL recently introduce a new rule that clubs "must" obtain third party information? and iv) What was it about the news that the club was seeking confirmation that new rules couldn't be applied retroactively?

Anyway, as I said, just a theory and don't want to derail the thread again, so will shut up. :)

 

[Gundoggin]

An interesting take that I agree with to a large extent. In any case, if exonerated it's not really in our interests to "bankrupt the PL" but I would add that if we were in possession of evidence pointing to collusion between various clubs - and Khaldoon and Pep have implied something along those lines - in an attempt to destroy us simply because they don't like the fact that we're so successful, AND those clubs knew there was no discernible proof of wrongdoing on our part then I believe we would have a genuine case to take action against those clubs. I wouldn't like to speculate on the figures involved and I know it's America rather than the UK but I can see possible parallels with the Dominion/FOX case where FOX smeared Dominion's name based on innuendo and nothing else. Of course it could be argued that it might not be in our interests to do that either as taking our competitors down a peg or three could lead to the title battle being a one-horse race for many years to come, but on the flip side if we were to just let it slide it might empower them to try and have another go at bringing us down.

Absolutely MCFC will have evidence of certain clubs and certain clubs “figures” colluding against us . Pep has called this out several times including hanging Levy out to dry . Levy is very quiet these days which is interesting and his side kick has been arrested/ charged with fraud . I personally think MCFC will want to settle this matter once and for all , the fall out could be spectacular !

 

[give it to gordon]

PL had no choice, as the referral to an independent panel is the rule by which they have to resolve disciplinary issues of this type. They opened an investigation and came to us for the evidence, as per UEFA. We'd have argued against providing anything our lawyers regarded as 'fishing', that we considered wasn't strictly necessary to their case.

Based on the evidence we provided (and we have provided plenty apparently) they felt there was enough to justify invoking disciplinary measures and passed the case to a panel, as per their rules. But we know that all the issues in this case (as far as we can see) have been dealt with by UEFA at some point, without sanction.

So innocent of UEFA but not the pl !. So by that as both Chelsea and rags failed UEFA ffp they must both of failed the pl ffp. Yet I have only heard of Chelsea being investigated by the pl !