Middle East Conflict

Bigga said:
I don't know if anybody has posted this but this is a map of targets, seemingly hit by Iran's missile response.

Of the 180 missiles fired, 32 hit targets. So that's not the iron dome's defence alone, but with help from Jordan US and UK protection, too.

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Jordan and UK protection can do sweet FA against Balistic missiles. Drones and Cruise Missiles yes, Balistic missiles no.
As to Iranian missiles getting close I'm afraid that's no cigar. If you can hit a bullet with a bullet (Arrow3 + David's Sling interceptions) then I'm absolutely sure you can work out exactly where a balistic missile will strike to within 20 cms.
No baliatic missile can make in flight course corrections after final stage separation yet. Maybe the latest Chinese hypersonic one can and the two US hypersonics going into production at the moment certainly can but that's your lot.
 
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BlueAnorak said:
Jordan and UK protection can do sweet FA against Balistic missiles. Drones and Cruise Missiles yes, Balistic missiles no.
As to Iranian missiles getting close I'm afraid that's no cigar. If you can hit a bullet with a bullet (Arrow3 + David's Sling interceptions) then I'm absolutely sure you can work out exactly where a balistic missile will strike to within 20 cms.
No baliatic missile can make course corrections direction in flight yet. Maybe the latest Chinese one can and the US ones going into production at the moment certainly can but that's your lot
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So, let me get this straight; only drones were used and the iron dome takes down drones. The 3 other actors take down drones and cruise too and the 32 remaining were drone and cruise.

What you're saying, as Iran used less than 10% of its weaponry, is that the iron dome isn't all singing and all dancing after all.

Especially if it needs help from other allies...
 
Bigga said:
So, let me get this straight; only drones were used and the iron dome takes down drones. The 3 other actors take down drones and cruise too and the 32 remaining were drone and cruise.

What you're saying, as Iran used less than 10% of its weaponry, is that the iron dome isn't all singing and all dancing after all.

Especially if it needs help from other allies...
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Jordan and the UK intercepted nothing as drones and cruise missiles weren't used by Iran this time.
Iron dome can take out balistics if launched close to the target (only 15km range for balistics) The iron beam can as well (10km tange) - but Isreal hasn't got enough of these yet.
Arrow3 intercepts in space (the most effectve interception of steep parabola trajectory missiles).
David's Sling is for long range atmospheric interception of balistic and cruise missiles. It's not particularly effective for missiles fired with a steep parabola trajectory.
 
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Bigga said:
I don't know if anybody has posted this but this is a map of targets, seemingly hit by Iran's missile response.

Of the 180 missiles fired, 32 hit targets. So that's not the iron dome's defence alone, but with help from Jordan US and UK protection, too.

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Not forgetting that Iran’s missiles are a bit shit…
 
BlueAnorak said:
Jordan and the UK intercepted nothing as drones and cruise missiles weren't used by Iran this time.
Iron dome can take out balistics if launched close to the target (only 15km range for balistics) The iron beam can as well (10km tange) - but Isreal hasn't got enough of these yet.
Arrow3 intercepts in space (the most effectve interception of steep parabola trajectory missiles).
David's Sling is for long range atmospheric interception of balistic and cruise missiles. It's not particularly effective for missiles fired with a steep parabola trajectory.
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You're, simply, wrong about other actors involvement. It makes me wonder where your info comes from.

Israeli Media Report
 
Fair play to Biden for condemning any possible attack on Irans nuclear facilties, that was brave of him after months of watching all those innocent civilians being killed in Gaza at an unprecedented scale with his hands tied and not being able to speak out against it but clearly Israel just wants to get rid of anyone who stands against their aparteid regime and ever growing illegal settlements. People need to start seeing it from their side. The plan is that once they wipe out all their opponents, the fighting will stop. Countries like Iran would be better off just ignoring the Israeli military advancement and let them finish the job and this should all be over soon and the region can get back to being at peace again.
 
Bigga said:
So, let me get this straight; only drones were used and the iron dome takes down drones. The 3 other actors take down drones and cruise too and the 32 remaining were drone and cruise.

What you're saying, as Iran used less than 10% of its weaponry, is that the iron dome isn't all singing and all dancing after all.

Especially if it needs help from other allies...
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I don't think any of us including mr anorak will ever know the truth. The first reports were that nothing got through and gradually more official and unofficial footage of destruction caused by Iranian missiles is leaking out. There are good tactical reasons for Israel to claim the Iranian weapons were ineffective but clearly they are a threat which cannot be fully contained. It seems a lot of these missile defences strategies can be simply overwhelmed by an amount of missiles - part of the reason the US and Russia maintain nuclear arsenal's capable of destroying the world many times over. Any country claiming to have an impenetrable shield is doing so to manage fear and panic within its own population, demoralise the enemy etc. basically bollocks.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I don't think any of us including mr anorak will ever know the truth. The first reports were that nothing got through and gradually more official and unofficial footage of destruction caused by Iranian missiles is leaking out. There are good tactical reasons for Israel to claim the Iranian weapons were ineffective but clearly they are a threat which cannot be fully contained. It seems a lot of these missile defences strategies can be simply overwhelmed by an amount of missiles - part of the reason the US and Russia maintain nuclear arsenal's capable of destroying the world many times over. Any country claiming to have an impenetrable shield is doing so to manage fear and panic within its own population, demoralise the enemy etc. basically bollocks.
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Straight to the point, sir.
 
Bigga said:
So, let me get this straight; only drones were used and the iron dome takes down drones. The 3 other actors take down drones and cruise too and the 32 remaining were drone and cruise.

What you're saying, as Iran used less than 10% of its weaponry, is that the iron dome isn't all singing and all dancing after all.

Especially if it needs help from other allies...
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Personally I wouldn't believe anything Israel or any side involved puts out there, including their 'allies' without confirmation by some kind of independent third party review (maybe there has been)
 
dublinblue12 said:
Fair play to Biden for condemning any possible attack on Irans nuclear facilties, that was brave of him after months of watching all those innocent civilians being killed in Gaza at an unprecedented scale with his hands tied and not being able to speak out against it but clearly Israel just wants to get rid of anyone who stands against their aparteid regime and ever growing illegal settlements. People need to start seeing it from their side. The plan is that once they wipe out all their opponents, the fighting will stop. Countries like Iran would be better off just ignoring the Israeli military advancement and let them finish the job and this should all be over soon and the region can get back to being at peace again.
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When he finally steps down he'll a give fulsome condemnation of Israel's actions over the last year. At this present time, it's still not convenient for him to do so.
 
dublinblue12 said:
Fair play to Biden for condemning any possible attack on Irans nuclear facilties, that was brave of him after months of watching all those innocent civilians being killed in Gaza at an unprecedented scale with his hands tied and not being able to speak out against it but clearly Israel just wants to get rid of anyone who stands against their aparteid regime and ever growing illegal settlements. People need to start seeing it from their side. The plan is that once they wipe out all their opponents, the fighting will stop. Countries like Iran would be better off just ignoring the Israeli military advancement and let them finish the job and this should all be over soon and the region can get back to being at peace again.
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I think I see your point re:Biden, but his hands were not "tied". He had options and chose not to utilise them because of his self-admittance of being an "out and out zionist" stated many years ago and non-action merely underlines this.

This is why Netanyahu has obliterated every "red line" the US has set, calling their bluff and showing the current US gov to be toothless on the world stage when it comes to its allies.

Or I should say where Israel is, strategically in the Middle East.

The rest I, very much, agree with.
 
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