President Trump

[TonyM]

when has he been genuinely funny ?

In the sense that he is a moron who is liable to do or say anything. He is a village idiot.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Again you’re wrong as real earnings picked up since 2017, when your source was written.

I’m an economist, you picked a seven year period (2010-2017), in Britain, to explain why the US picked a racist fuck to govern them (thanks only due to the electoral college) in the United States.

Your argument is complete and utter bollocks and doesn’t even begin to understand the social and political reasons why Trump was elected in 2016. One reason he wasn’t, was real wage growth in the UK between 2010–2017.

So, if you bothered to read my post, you'd have seen I said I thought but wasn't sure that the same roughly applied in the US.

I'm very pleased you personally can explain Trump (do tell how BTW) but the fact remains that people's real incomes have stagnated for a long time, and populist demagoguery is what you often see in those times, For example in the US prior to Trump's victory (and yes, I know it's not bang up to date, but doubtless as an economist, you can do better, perhaps even without sweary ranting, who knows)

Wage Stagnation in Nine Charts

Our country has suffered from rising income inequality and chronically slow growth in the living standards of low- and moderate-income Americans. This disappointing living-standards growth—which was in fact caused by rising income inequality—preceded the Great Recession and continues to this...

www.epi.org

 

[roubaixtuesday]

It’s hard to say in a sentence or two exactly what it was but there have been several good books written about the reason he was (just about) elected via the EC.

It certainly wasn’t due to it being the hardest times in the last 4,000 years economically.

I've already explained what I meant by that, and I provided data for the past 200.

So drop the straw man.

The EC doesn't explain how such a character gets the amount of votes he does.

 

[SWP's back]

So, if you bothered to read my post, you'd have seen I said I thought but wasn't sure that the same roughly applied in the US.

I'm very pleased you personally can explain Trump (do tell how BTW) but the fact remains that people's real incomes have stagnated for a long time, and populist demagoguery is what you often see in those times, For example in the US prior to Trump's victory (and yes, I know it's not bang up to date, but doubtless as an economist, you can do better, perhaps even without sweary ranting, who knows)

Wage Stagnation in Nine Charts

Our country has suffered from rising income inequality and chronically slow growth in the living standards of low- and moderate-income Americans. This disappointing living-standards growth—which was in fact caused by rising income inequality—preceded the Great Recession and continues to this...

www.epi.org

So you’re aware that median real wage growth was actually at its highest in the last two generations when Trump was elected.

And yes, I believe I have a good understanding of why Trump was elected because I read books rather than 7 year old bbc news articles about the UK economy.

“The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump” by Bandy X. Lee (Editor) – A collection of essays from mental health professionals analyzing Trump’s psychological appeal and impact.

“How Democracies Die” by Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt – Discusses the erosion of democratic norms and Trump’s rise.

“The Plot to Hack America” by Malcolm Nance – Focuses on Russian involvement in the 2016 election.

“The Truth Matters” by Bruce Bartlett – Critiques media manipulation during Trump’s campaign.

“The Unwinding” by George Packer – Explores societal and political discontent that led to Trump’s victory.

 

[SWP's back]

I've already explained what I meant by that, and I provided data for the past 200.

So drop the straw man.

The EC doesn't explain how such a character gets the amount of votes he does.

Look at a bell curve of IQ and see what percent is on the left hand side of mean average.

Look at a Venn diagram of Trump voters, Clinton voters and college education. Look at the backlash to changing demographics and the first black US president.

Read the books I list above.

Also it’s not a straw man to argue against a moronic and patently obvious untruth (worst period recorded history), I told you off the bat that it wasn’t remotely true. You asked me to refute it, I did, then you said you meant something different….

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Look at a bell curve of IQ and see what percent is on the left hand side of mean average.

Look at a Venn diagram of Trump voters, Clinton voters and college education. Look at the backlash to changing demographics and the first black US president.

Read the books I list above.

Also it’s not a straw man to argue against a moronic and patently obvious untruth (worst period recorded history), I told you off the bat that it wasn’t remotely true. You asked me to refute it, I did, then you said you meant something different….

I'll leave you to it.

If you want to believe the (lack of) income growth for the middle/working classes has nothing to so with Trump, or the wider you can certainly convince yourself; the evidence would suggest it is a strong contributing factor.

 

[SWP's back]

I'll leave you to it.

If you want to believe the (lack of) income growth for the middle/working classes has nothing to so with Trump, or the wider you can certainly convince yourself; the evidence would suggest it is a strong contributing factor.

Only if you ignore the fact that real wages were the highest they’d ever been when he was elected, sure.

 

[BlueHammer85]

In the sense that he is a moron who is liable to do or say anything. He is a village idiot.

Agreed. f*ckin clown.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

In the sense that he is a moron who is liable to do or say anything. He is a village idiot.

There is a serious point in there actually. Because expectations of him are so low I think he gets away with more. It was similar with Boris Johnson - everybody knew he was a bit of a liar and a shagger, so tended to just accept it with a shrug of the shoulders.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Whoever keeps hiring Darwin Nunez to assassinate Trump. Please stop!

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Whoever keeps hiring Darwin Nunez to assassinate Trump. Please stop!

These assassination attempts seem weird to me. There’s hardly any chat about them after they happen.

There was more about the crowd getting stranded at Coachella than Mr Nunez.

I’d have thought Trump would have used them bigly to show how “they’re all out to get me. The deep state want me dead as I’m going to disband it all and they need to silence me.”

 

[TinFoilHat]

These assassination attempts seem weird to me. There’s hardly any chat about them after they happen.

There was more about the crowd getting stranded at Coachella than Mr Nunez.

I’d have thought Trump would have used them bigly to show how “they’re all out to get me. The deep state want me dead as I’m going to disband it all and they need to silence me.”

His minions will be doing that on tik tok as most of them have a 30 seconds attention span.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

His minions will be doing that on tik tok as most of them have a 30 seconds attention span.

Still seems odd to me that he hasn’t really used it himself though. Makes me question the validity a little bit.

It’s a better campaigning angle than the eating of pets!

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

These assassination attempts seem weird to me. There’s hardly any chat about them after they happen.

There was more about the crowd getting stranded at Coachella than Mr Nunez.

I’d have thought Trump would have used them bigly to show how “they’re all out to get me. The deep state want me dead as I’m going to disband it all and they need to silence me.”

It wasn’t an assassination attempt.

Read the article.

Also probably would help if any of the previous 1 1/4 attempts were made by, you know, Democrats.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Oh do fuck off.

Fair enough.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

It wasn’t an assassination attempt.

Read the article.

Also probably would help if any of the previous 1 1/4 attempts were made by, you know, Democrats.

When did truth or details matter?!

 

[KS55]

It’s hard to say in a sentence or two exactly what it was but there have been several good books written about the reason he was (just about) elected via the EC.

It certainly wasn’t due to it being the hardest times in the last 4,000 years economically.

Agreed. That was plainly nonsense.

 

[SebastianBlue]

I'm not sure some people can grasp that by not liking him twice as much their vote against him isn't any more significant. He is absolutely a symptom of 'silly American politics'. Trump is not the issue, he's just a savvy opportunist adept at mobilising rw fears. Trump is not the problem, the problem is that a huge chunk of the US electorate think he's a good idea.
Like the oxygen, heat, fuel fire triangle you need to take something away to put the fire out. I think the 'trump triangle' consists of right wing ideas, economic hard times, liberal hatred outrage (to create polarisation and a sense of persecution). Imho take any one of those away and trump goes away - good luck trying to stamp out rw ideas/resentments and fix the blue collar economy.

I try not to engage with you, for obvious reasons, but I just wanted to say this is an incredibly ignorant and naive take on American politics and the dangers of Trump/Vance and the MAGA movement specifically, even for you. To try to act as if Trump/Vance or MAGA is not an existential threat to what is left of American democracy, and is merely a symptom of “silly American politics” at this point is just laughably simplistic. They can be both a symptom and an existential threat—these are not mutually exclusive attributes.

Most of your comments are of the sort you regularly hear from first year university political economy students. And that is being generous.

I and many others have already spoken at length as to why, so I am not going to do it again. But your insistence of posting this nonsense, followed by “well, I don’t know much about [insert the subject you were just assertively commenting on] but…” responses to people calling it out belies the fact that you know very well you are most often merely wumming and for someone reason are never dealt with accordingly.

 

[Phil1]

I try not to engage with you, for obvious reasons, but I just wanted to say this is an incredibly ignorant and naive take on American politics and the dangers of Trump/Vance and the MAGA movement specifically, even for you. To try to act as if Trump/Vance or MAGA is not an existential threat to what is left of American democracy, and is merely a symptom of “silly American politics” at this point is just laughably simplistic. They can be both a symptom and an existential threat—these are not mutually exclusive attributes.

Most of your comments are of the sort you regularly hear from first year university political economy students. And that is being generous.

I and many others have already spoken at length as to why, so I am not going to do it again. But your insistence of posting this nonsense, followed by “well, I don’t know much about [insert the subject you were just assertively commenting on] but…” responses to people calling it out belies the fact that you know very well you are most often merely wumming and for someone reason are never dealt with accordingly.

You really shouldn’t engage, mate.
He’s got his MO and it’s not changed for a few years.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I try not to engage with you, for obvious reasons, but I just wanted to say this is an incredibly ignorant and naive take on American politics and the dangers of Trump/Vance and the MAGA movement specifically, even for you. To try to act as if Trump/Vance or MAGA is not an existential threat to what is left of American democracy, and is merely a symptom of “silly American politics” at this point is just laughably simplistic. They can be both a symptom and an existential threat—these are not mutually exclusive attributes.

Most of your comments are of the sort you regularly hear from first year university political economy students. And that is being generous.

I and many others have already spoken at length as to why, so I am not going to do it again. But your insistence of posting this nonsense, followed by “well, I don’t know much about [insert the subject you were just assertively commenting on] but…” responses to people calling it out belies the fact that you know very well you are most often merely wumming and for someone reason are never dealt with accordingly.

Yeah, I get that a lot. I think we probably disagree on trump but you've run out of anything but insults. Again, you confuse me wumming with you getting a bit wound up - not the same thing. You should probably report my post if it upsets you for a sane reason, pop me on ignore, take it to PM's, or just get over yourself.