US Presidential Election, Nov 5th 2024

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FogBlueInSanFran said:
Forever. Not a long time. Forever.

Because I doubt Democrats will ever bring themselves to nominate a person as morally-reprehensible as Trump, whereas the GOP always will, every time, after this win.

Explain to me why they wouldn’t.

But that’s the Dems’ fault.
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:) I didn't say that. But I can understand why you thought I did.
 
Macca77macca said:
I think they are all mouth no trousers

I don’t think they expected to win and now they have they are like “phew and also can’t be arsed with all the continuing agro”

In a way Trump has been found out. Found out by voters. Time to put up or shut the the fuck up. He has been given this massive mandate I don’t think they were expecting. Its focusing minds.
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It's clear from all the cheating posturing that Trump wasn't expecting it.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
The term “barriers to entry” is common here and, while I can see where you’re going, I’m merely referring to the reality in the ground here. I live in an executive bedroom community which is the first stop on the Express train in the city. The towns along that rail line are all expensive Chicago bedroom communities, and are generally white.
My children went to the Catholic School 1 block from my house, which is on a 24 acre park. There was (maybe) 1 or possibly 2 non-white children who attended that school. We took them out of Catholic School for High School, because they needed a more diverse understanding of reality, which meant going to the school in the Hispanic community. While it was great for my son’s Spanish, and they had a great soccer team, they were also bringing home tales of gang fights in the hallways and after school, with the girls often being worse than the boys. Needless to say, it was an eye-opening experience for them.

Long before we ever moved there, the town (Rolling Meadows) was nicknamed Rolling Ghettos for the numerous multi-family dwellings that had drug and gang issues, and a large number of smaller, more affordable, bungalow style homes on small lots.

I didn’t draw the boundaries or play the property sizes, I’m merely reporting the reality of life in my particular corner of suburban America.

The racial makeup of Arlington Heights, Illinois is as follows:
  • White: 78.95%
  • Asian: 10.77% (Japanese School is in Arlington Heights)
  • African American: 1.63%
  • Native American: 0.22%
  • Pacific Islander: 0.03%
  • Other races: 2.64%
  • Two or more races: 5.76%
  • Hispanic or Latino: 6.94%
About 7% Hispanic & 2% Black

The racial makeup of Rolling Meadows, Illinois is as follows:
  • White (non-Hispanic): 54.6%
  • Asian (non-Hispanic): 12.2%

  • Other (Hispanic): 11.2%
  • White (Hispanic): 8.21%
  • Two or more races (Hispanic): 7.05%
About 27% Hispanic & no Blacks noted.
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Fair enough. To a Brit it sounded .... Well, you know. Anyway, I didn't think that was what you meant. You always seem grounded, if a little passionate sometimes. And I can also understand why that would be.

Haha. Just read that again. Grounded not really appropriate for you (because you are a pilot before I stoke a fire again). :)
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
The naïveté is adorable. Nihilism is the only defen(s)ce.

We are never ever going back to decency.

Ever.

Why would we when lies work so much better?

Explain to me to downside of being a scumbag.
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Easier said than done I think. E.g., the Republican governor candidate in NC got blown out in a state that went for Trump because he was leaving bizarre comments on a porn site/was a kook in the Trump mold. Cuomo was brought down in NY for behavior that would barely register had it been Trump. Trump (and to be fair, Bill Clinton) have the "charisma" to get away with it, but most politicians don't.
 
WT86 said:
Easier said than done I think. E.g., the Republican governor candidate in NC got blown out in a state that went for Trump because he was leaving bizarre comments on a porn site/was a kook in the Trump mold. Cuomo was brought down in NY for behavior that would barely register had it been Trump. Trump (and to be fair, Bill Clinton) have the "charisma" to get away with it, but most politicians don't.
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Had he been the GOP selection for President the NC guy would have won, wouldn’t he? Because the economy. That’s what literally everyone has said here, right? When Don Jr or Miller or Bannon or whomever the next anointed one is runs in 28 we can revisit this.

I repeat — we aren’t ever going back. There will never be a Presidential candidate again who can count on decency, service or kindness to win relative to their opponent.

Ever.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Had he been the GOP selection for President the NC guy would have won, wouldn’t he? Because the economy. That’s what literally everyone has said here, right? When Don Jr or Miller or Bannon or whomever the next anointed one is runs in 28 we can revisit this.

I repeat — we aren’t ever going back. There will never be a Presidential candidate again who can count on decency, service or kindness to win relative to their opponent.

Ever.
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I don't know. Possibly, but I also think a lot of Trump sympathizers are mice who think they're cats. They act like they have some rational reason for voting for him, the economy or whatever, when the reality is they're easy marks and they've been taken in by his personality and his validation of their grievances, and they're ignoring every red flag. That's the particular skill of a conman and not easily replicable by another politician.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Amazing how many younger people voted for Trump off the back of his Joe Rogan podcast appearance.

Let that sink in... THE FUCKING JOE ROGAN PODCAST.

WTF America?
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A hundred years ago you would probably have had people thinking the same thing about the radio or TV. Podcasting is just another format / platform and it's probably the new reality. I don't remember the actual figures for the Rogan one, but in terms of reach it was vast - many millions, and much more than any rally or TV appearance I think.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
A hundred years ago you would probably have had people thinking the same thing about the radio or TV. Podcasting is just another format / platform and it's probably the new reality. I don't remember the actual figures for the Rogan one, but in terms of reach it was vast - many millions, and much more than any rally or TV appearance I think.
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I think there's a legitimate difference though, because with TV news, it was still trained journalists who were doing the interviews. What we have now is a situation where the biggest platforms are hosted by people who are not actually going to hold politicians to account in any way, and couldn't even if they wanted to, because they don't have the training or editorial standards to do so. This isn't just a Trump thing btw. It's not like Harris wasn't appearing on huge podcasts that would give her an easy ride.

We used to have the same criticism when David Cameron would appear on This Morning or The One Show instead of Newsnight or Question Time. Everything is just so stage managed nowadays and even press conferences have plants in them selected to ask low-ball questions that allow the politician to bang on about some key policy. The average Premier League manager has more accountability to the press than the President or Prime Minister these days.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
A hundred years ago you would probably have had people thinking the same thing about the radio or TV. Podcasting is just another format / platform and it's probably the new reality. I don't remember the actual figures for the Rogan one, but in terms of reach it was vast - many millions, and much more than any rally or TV appearance I think.
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I think it was more “Joe Rogan” that caught the ire, not “podcast.”

The guy is an uber-bro, who sits around shooting the shit while smoking stogies and alluding to conspiracy theories. Every once in a while, you find a nugget, a good quote, or even some semblance of insight, but rarely.

Thankfully, YouTube clips generally cover the interesting 3 minutes in the 3 hrs of garbage you have to get through to find it…if it exists at all.
 
Middedon said:
This is why I (and probably your sister in law) don’t ever want to feel shame about my decision. It gave me the family I have today. (Except my third was a son…three boys and the only football/City fan of the bunch!).
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Hmmm… A real mum would have infected the boys with Cityitis at birth. I was deprived as a child. Dad hated football and mum was (whisper it) …..a rag. I’ve never forgiven them.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
I think there's a legitimate difference though, because with TV news, it was still trained journalists who were doing the interviews. What we have now is a situation where the biggest platforms are hosted by people who are not actually going to hold politicians to account in any way, and couldn't even if they wanted to, because they don't have the training or editorial standards to do so. This isn't just a Trump thing btw. It's not like Harris wasn't appearing on huge podcasts that would give her an easy ride.

We used to have the same criticism when David Cameron would appear on This Morning or The One Show instead of Newsnight or Question Time. Everything is just so stage managed nowadays and even press conferences have plants in them selected to ask low-ball questions that allow the politician to bang on about some key policy. The average Premier League manager has more accountability to the press than the President or Prime Minister these days.
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Due to the long format, I think podcasts are much less stage managed than short TV interviews. Probably one of the reasons Kamala avoided it. Politicians will generally try to avoid or minimise appearances on TV networks that are not 'friendly forces'. I agree with your general point though about the move from things like news night to more 'showbiz' things. Its probably much more pleasant to take questions on your favourite food or hobbies than fiscal policy etc.
 
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