Are those figures accurate? If they are then wow. That tells me a lot of people are disillusioned with the democrats and lots didn't vote or voted for independents.
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Are those figures accurate? If they are then wow. That tells me a lot of people are disillusioned with the democrats and lots didn't vote or voted for independents.
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Cheers - and indeed. If those figures are accurate, then it forms a strong basis for explaining why the election went so unexpectedly poorly for Democrats and indeed suggests a remedy for what might be done to avoid similar disasters in future elections.
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Yeah from what I can see, everyone is complaining about Trump getting back in, but the Democrats need to look at there selves , a 15% loss in votes is ridiculous.
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I think you have a large section of the more left-leaning faction of dems supporters who don't recognise the party. Back in 2020 you had the wave of new, young progressive dems in AOC and Ilan Omar, plus a big support by the legend Bernie S. I think a lot of young, progressive and environmentally conscious groups got behind the dems. But I think a lot of those people feel let down by Biden/Harris administration. I assumed they would back the dems still against the common enemy of Trump but maybe not.
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"It's the economy, stupid" - if that's indeed the explanation - which I think is true (with the interpretation that it's not how the economy is going but rather how individuals are faring under the economy) then... well, it's somewhat out of the Dems hands... absent some sort of campaign that promises to fix income inequality and that somehow manages to resonate with the majority of voters.
They are still being counted, so you'd expect that figure to narrow in the coming days but there have clearly been a combination of more people voting for Jill Stein, lots abstaining, or in some cases even flipping to Trump for those who deem the Dems foreign policy (particularly in the ME) to be their main issue. If you are insinuating what I think you are insinuating, why not do it again? Why stop at one election? It would be far easier to do from a position of power than from a position of opposition and you'd have four years to prepare for it.
You do wonder where America goes from here. They have given the keys of the Senate , the House and the Supreme Court to somebody who failed in an attempt to overthrow the constitution last time round, as metaphorically speaking, generals would not take their orders. Trump 2.0 won't be the same, and like all descents into authoritarian regimes, anybody who resists will be replaced by only those loyal to him.
And if, you know, your history......
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As an American, well, we're about to be subject the the Chinese curse - "May you live in interesting times."
Trump will damage Democracy in America as much as he can during the next 4 years of his term. The checks against his abuse of power remain - The House, The Senate, The Supreme Court and State Governments.
Even though Republicans control all branches of federal government - there's been indication that some nominally loyal Republicans will balk at extreme abuse of power (likely to manifest mostly in the Senate and I think in SCOTUS).
State Government too will oppose Trump as best they can.
Is Trump going to end Democracy in America as we know it? Beats me. I think there's a strong possibility of that happening though.
What might happen in the worst case? Well, Trump might declare martial law to protect against illegal invasion by immigrants. He'd then begin to mass deport immigrants using the army. Having declared martial law, he'd then move to disband SCOTUS if they objected to him. The free press would have long since ceased to exist as Trump would move to void broadcast licenses for any entity he deemed unfaithful to his aims.
In short, American Democracy might end completely under Trump in the next 4 years. I'm not saying that this scenario is a forgone conclusion, or even that it's likely... it is though, very, very possible.
The bellwether for doomsday as outlined above is what happens to the free press. If Trump is able to silence the press through some means or another - then the USA is firmly on the path to fascist authoritarianism.
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Sounds like an example of correlation not implying causation to me.
Alvin-blue-qhd
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Errr, I know people can call it "Chinese curse", but in Chinese language we don't have such an expression or allusion-"may you live in interesting times". No that's not from Chinese.
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Cheers.
May you live in interesting times - Wikipedia
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Not all the votes have been counted. Still millions left that will take several more days. California still only on 63% counted and several other states in the 80s and 90s percent. Can’t make any difference to the overall result though which is why they’ve already been called.
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It sounds like Hollywood is having a collective meltdown about the result. Is funny that they think ordinary people care about what they think.
Nothing "ordinary" about people who would vote for a sex predator and convicted felon who not only supported a coup attempt but told more than 30,000 lies (verified by fact-checkers at the Washington Post, which didn't endorse either candidate in 2024) during his last stint in personal enrichment.
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There's full video of it if you interested to watch. Like you never think that Democrat leaning video will not doing something like that and you assuming only Republican leaning video doing highly edited video like this?
No wonder you guys lost and America is now being lead by horrible person.
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Laughable...
The Guardian has completely lost the plot, it lost it a long time ago.
They were so shocked their sandals fell off.
Wonderful. We are finally at the point where ‘normal’ is being a hateful **** towards those less fortunate, encourages division, prefers lies and falsehoods over truth and justice and doesn’t care much if the man in charge us a rapist wrong’un because he sticks it to the libs.
Think I’m ok being not normal for the time being thanks.
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So you’re not at all bitter then?…
Kamaro011
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Trump is horrible person but that doesn't mean these billionare celebrity people is also saint either.
Most of them are pricks and conscending living so out of touch than the rest average people life. The difference are these people is not being publicly outed yet their crimes is like Trump.
Said celebrities don’t have the codes for nuclear weapons.
Seems to be the defence of this election is that the new normal is being ok with somebody as degenerate at Trump.
Good luck with that.
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Seem defence of what? did any of my post defending Trump in anyway? Of course not he is horrible person and i agree with that.
Anyway even if i hate his gut and the way he handle his first term presidency. He is not actually trigger anything that most people feared is ie Nuclear Armageddon when he become president the first time hasn't he?
That's the only small hope that calm my mind that there will be no Nuclear Wars atleast when Trump in charge second time.
Yeah America is fucked when he in charge again but atleast there's no drastic thing like Nuclear War atleast.
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