Ticket Points Sales Tracking

[Manc Born & Bred]

I don’t get involved in the never ending circular discussion about Supporters Clubs allocations. But the one thing I think everyone would be in agreement with is they at least go to what most of us would agree are ‘proper’ blues.

Let club give us some info on the allocation numbers and who exactly the tickets go to for the following groups before we worry too much about the supporters club.

Owner,

Board of Directors,

Football Management,

Players,

Club Officials and Staff,

Former Players,

Club Partners.

100%

Owner, Board of Directors and Football Management presumably sit in the home team's director's box if they attend so who do they pass their allocation to. Players will pass them to family, friends or any Tom, Dick or Harry. Club officials and staff, who does that refer to, ticket office manager, front desk, security and how many are they dishing out. How many former players have you seen in an away end. If Anelka, as he has played for us and dippers fancies watching the game in a few weeks would he ask the home club for a ticket in a box or City to be amongst us? Club Partners - how many are they given and who monitors who receives them. It has been alluded to that Hays receive four tickets for any away game they want, why? Will they withdraw their sponsorship if the club says no more away tickets, I doubt it. I might be wrong but in theory this group supposedly takes 10% of an away allocation which for Liverpool means 300 tickets although I suspect this percentage is higher in reality. If it is 600 hundred then instead of selling out 23k Liverpool may have dropped to nearer 20k or below.

 

[Chappie]

Don't think you're reading it right mate, question was posed as to why supporters club members who get a ticket through branch should have required number of points. I only pointed out our branch like many others have members who don't travel away now with enough points to use their numbers. The reason why we apply together through branch is we can get tickets together always good to stand with your mates,

You only get 1 or 2 tickets through the branch, so at least 2 of your membership can stand together .
What's your point about those that have the requisite points but don't travel anymore.
If they aren't going they don't need a ticket or are you suggesting that your branch buys them and then gives them out to someone else in your branch.
Apparently that's classed as being naughty, if a loyalty points holder does it .

 

[Chappie]

I'd have thought it was because it enables them to sit with other members of their branch.

People with points apply for a ticket when their window opens.
You sit in the block you choose at the time of purchase.
They haven't a clue where the supporters club tickets will be at the time of purchase,so they wont be sat next to members of their branch.

 

[M18CTID]

I'd have thought it was because it enables them to sit with other members of their branch.

Yep. I did this for a while back around 2007/2008. Applied for several away tickets through the branch I was a member of even though I could've gotten one easily enough myself. I only did it if travelling on the branch coach to that particular game. Obviously the points still got assigned to me. That was until Liverpool away in May 2008 when for some mysterious reason I didn't get the points added. Needless to say, I never applied for another away ticket through that branch (or any other branch) ever again.

 

[i kne albert davy]

You only get 1 or 2 tickets through the branch, so at least 2 of your membership can stand together .
What's your point about those that have the requisite points but don't travel anymore.
If they aren't going they don't need a ticket or are you suggesting that your branch buys them and then gives them out to someone else in your branch.
Apparently that's classed as being naughty, if a loyalty points holder does it .

No mate the original post was OSC tickets should go to a branch member with enough points which it doesn't have to but if it did most branch members usually have enough points to make it ineffective. Nothing to stop branch members with enough points from applying through branch so they can all stand close together at away games.

 

[bainy]

You only get 1 or 2 tickets through the branch, so at least 2 of your membership can stand together .
What's your point about those that have the requisite points but don't travel anymore.
If they aren't going they don't need a ticket or are you suggesting that your branch buys them and then gives them out to someone else in your branch.
Apparently that's classed as being naughty, if a loyalty points holder does it .

Some OsC branches get alot more than 1 or 2 tickets!

 

[i kne albert davy]

People with points apply for a ticket when their window opens.
You sit in the block you choose at the time of purchase.
They haven't a clue where the supporters club tickets will be at the time of purchase,so they wont be sat next to members of their branch.

Not sure you're grasping this or maybe you are, branches rarely get more than one or two tickets who you're correct have to take pot luck where they stand,the vast majority in our branch who travel have high points, the branch sec(whos retired) orders them together so members are mainly stood together common sense to me.

 

[i kne albert davy]

Some OsC branches get alot more than 1 or 2 tickets!

Which ones ?

 

[Blue Til Death]

Which ones ?

London for a start ..

 

[i kne albert davy]

London for a start ..

Can't speak for london branch bit far away but i'll take your word for it, I do know a few blues who've moved down that way met up with them in Lisbon, they have enough points to attend anyway though.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I don’t think there is any point in this divide and conquer stuff between fan groups. City have agreed a division of tickets and that’s the proportions of tickets that should be allocated.

There’s a little bit of misinformation in earlier pages. For example, when City introduced ID checks / ticket collections a few years back of course Supporters Club members were subject to these. I’m not really for or against these checks but there is no point in changing the ticket system to “achieve fairness” unless some sort of checks takes place. Besides enforcing the agree allocations split, I would leave the system as it is. A lot of people aren’t happy with the last changes introduced and it would be the same again with new revisions.

Interestingly, on the main City tickets Facebook page (that very rarely has away tickets these days), this “integrity of the points system” stuff doesn’t really get mentioned. Blues expect fellow Blues to use their initiative to try to get tickets.

 

[i kne albert davy]

I don’t think there is any point in this divide and conquer stuff between fan groups. City have agreed a division of tickets and that’s the proportions of tickets that should be allocated.

There’s a little bit of misinformation in earlier pages. For example, when City introduced ID checks / ticket collections a few years back of course Supporters Club members were subject to these. I’m not really for or against these checks but there is no point in changing the ticket system to “achieve fairness” unless some sort of checks takes place. Besides enforcing the agree allocations split, I would leave the system as it is. A lot of people aren’t happy with the last changes introduced and it would be the same again with new revisions.

Interestingly, on the main City tickets Facebook page (that very rarely has away tickets these days), this “integrity of the points system” stuff doesn’t really get mentioned. Blues expect fellow Blues to use their initiative to try to get tickets.

Football fans have always done anything they can to get into big games, apart from Bournemouth I always qualify, now seem to have dropped out of Old Trafford so names on tickets would suit me but would be chaos at turnstile so ain't never going to happen.

 

[TheGhost]

If an away Derby ticket lands in the lap of anyone under the required points. I’m sure that would go straight back to the club for it to be distributed ‘fairly’ to someone with the ‘right’ amount of points.

 

[DTKOAG]

I think whatever the outcome is the club will carry on giving tickets to sponsors /corporate / players etc..
Give Alex the recent CM rep much credit for his involvement and keeping us fans up to date with the minutes of these meeting and any other up to date info.

 

[Blue Til Death]

Can't speak for london branch bit far away but i'll take your word for it, I do know a few blues who've moved down that way met up with them in Lisbon, they have enough points to attend anyway though.

I’ve been a member for years but binned it this season as never got a sniff of any tickets ..
I still can’t understand why people with enough points take up a OSC ticket, which also happened a lot in the London branch.. I guess it’s a sizeable branch hence a lot more tickets than others for some games ..

 

[Quinny851]

The main thing for me is for the club to stop the selling of tickets to 3rd party websites. Whether this is directly from the club themselves or through tickets allocated to corporates/players etc. Seeing that Chelsea woman celebrating in the home end when we got beat by Madrid on penalties really pissed me off

 

[Man-chester copperpot]

The main thing for me is for the club to stop the selling of tickets to 3rd party websites. Whether this is directly from the club themselves or through tickets allocated to corporates/players etc. Seeing that Chelsea woman celebrating in the home end when we got beat by Madrid on penalties really pissed me off

And that Youtube C*nt Ginger Rag with a fucking Madrid shirt on.
What the actual fuck
I can guarantee his has no membership and 0 ticket points

 

[Big Joe Corrigan]

And that Youtube C*nt Ginger Rag with a fucking Madrid shirt on.
What the actual fuck

That ginger rag is a ****, a talentless wanker who just shouts and swears on his YouTube channel.

 

[tedmak]

It was before your time so if you don't believe me, then ask Simon & Kevin.

We've had this discussion before as part of CM and you're the only one making the case for reintroducing away ticket points. But then you've got high points so you would be in favour. Be careful you don't get accused of acting in self interest, like I have. However, there are ways this could be done, as I describe below.

As I've said to you before, your reasoning on people being able to catch up is flawed. The reason people can't catch up is that people on high points generally bought tickets even if they planned to sell them on. Whether that's to family, mates, members of their supporters clubs, on here or other social media sites like Facebook pages and Twitter. It's easy to get rid of a ticket, particularly when demand outstrips supply. This is the core of the problem and that's why the club were gathering evidence about it and wanted to stop it. For one reason, it's not fair to those with high points who miss out. For another, the risk is that tickets fall into the wrong hands, be that third party sites, touts or just individual away fans. I don't think anyone would disagree that we need to clamp down on that. If there's a way of stopping people selling on away tickets then your argument makes more sense but until there is (see below) it doesn't.

I do agree that if there's enforcement then it has to be across the board, but you might want to have a word with Kevin about what they do at OSC level to try to minimise this. On the basis of things I've been told, I believe a lot of the problem starts in Hospitality.

But there are scenarios where it would be feasible to reintroduce points. One is ticket collection at venue. As I've said, united do 100% collections and the fans support that. We maybe don't have to go that far but the level of collection has to be significant, 50 tickets doesn't cut it, and I agree it has to apply across the board, not just general admission season ticket holders.

The other, which is probably more promising, is digital ticketing, which is due to be mandatory from 2026. https://www.premierleague.com/news/4071456

If away tickets were also digital then they can be tracked and that should remove a lot of the problems.

Another thing (and I believe you're talking about this) is changing the points system. It was introduced in 2001 or 2002 I think, and were the only club who use the lifetime accumulation of points. The other 'big 6' teams, who have big away followings, use a maximum 3-year rolling system to allocate away tickets. We talked at length and in great detail about moving to a 5-year system but we were keen to ensure that there was a fair system for doing that, that didn't unfairly disadvantage existing fans with high points. But there are ways of doing that that aren't beyond the wit of the people dealing with the issues, such as you and the other CM members.

I disagreed with removal of away points but can understand some of the reasons.
A way forward would be to introduce points for certain match. Lets face it - everyone wants Anfield and OT - but ticket points for Spurs away in the league cup or Southampton/Brighton are justified. I saw no evidence of points hoarders at those matches. So they don't need to be awarded for all matches.

 

[i kne albert davy]

I’ve been a member for years but binned it this season as never got a sniff of any tickets ..
I still can’t understand why people with enough points take up a OSC ticket, which also happened a lot in the London branch.. I guess it’s a sizeable branch hence a lot more tickets than others for some games ..

Pretty sure in our branch not that we get many OSC tickets members who get them don't have enough points usually younger end. But secretary orders for those who have enough points so we travel together and sit/stand together.