Russian invasion of Ukraine

cleavers said:
Dropping "the bridge" would virtually prevent direct resupply (of everything - including food and fuel for those living there), and it's a long vulnerable corridor the other way. Also it was putins pet project, and would be a huge hammer blow to his ego after they spent so much time and money building it, so I'm sure it's still considered a target.

That said, I can't see Ukraine wasting precious missiles in the hope they can take it down. If it is to be taken down, it will likely be from the sea, using one (or more) of the drone ships they've developed, but it would have to be large and probably co-ordinated attack. russia wanted Crimea for use by it's black sea fleet, but they've largely ababdoned it, because the ships were vulnerable to missile attack.
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Bingo, thanks for detailing the above. It's spells it all out nicely.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
It doesn't really change the requirement for Ukraine to strengthen its position, it just means it needs to do it ASAP.
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My point is that Trump is unpredictable and guided by his ego, and although unlikely, this may work in Ukraine’s favour (although I’m not holding my breath).
 
Putin and his gang of thugs are full of shite. We have heard all this nonsensical sabre rattling about escalating the conflict before. They completely ignore the fact that this conflict is entirely down to them and they have continually escalated it at every stage. The latest one being getting North Korea to supply more cannon fodder.

If Putin wants to have a go at NATO country, now is the time, as he will get his arse kicked pretty quickly. Let's be honest his much vaunted military is a shambles, he has managed to take 20% of Ukraine in just under 3 years and bankrupted his tin pot country and decimated his owned armed forces in the process. I wouldnt mind betting Poland would wipe the floor with the Russian army on its own. His own generals know this aswell surely.

As for the Nuclear threats, we've heard all these before, Putins a coward and a bully, people like Putin look after number 1 first and foremost and he knows that if he launched nuclear weapons he would be effectively shooting himself with M.A.D.
 
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Mr Kobayashi said:
They don't have the capability and that is why the Bridge was never taken out besides the relatively minor bombings.

It would require a 1st class army and marine commando capable of mounting an amphibious assault and With precision and speed.

Too slow and they would allow time for Russia to resupply, bed down and bring in reinenforcements or lay booby traps and turn it into a urban warfare nightmare.

Crimea is going to be ceded because it's one of the territories occupied by Russia which Ukraine has the smallest chances of capturing by military means.
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You make some reasonable points there.

They just happen to be in direct contradiction of your previous one I replied to!
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
They don't have the capability and that is why the Bridge was never taken out besides the relatively minor bombings.

It would require a 1st class army and marine commando capable of mounting an amphibious assault and With precision and speed.

Too slow and they would allow time for Russia to resupply, bed down and bring in reinenforcements or lay booby traps and turn it into a urban warfare nightmare.

Crimea is going to be ceded because it's one of the territories occupied by Russia which Ukraine has the smallest chances of capturing by military means.
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Taking the bridge out corners any Russian military capability in Crimea
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
They don't have the capability and that is why the Bridge was never taken out besides the relatively minor bombings.

It would require a 1st class army and marine commando capable of mounting an amphibious assault and With precision and speed.

Too slow and they would allow time for Russia to resupply, bed down and bring in reinenforcements or lay booby traps and turn it into a urban warfare nightmare.

Crimea is going to be ceded because it's one of the territories occupied by Russia which Ukraine has the smallest chances of capturing by military means.
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They do have the ability to do it now. It’s recent addition but it’s there.

The f16 can carry 2 jassm bombs. 1000lbs each with an accuracy of 3m and can be dropped from 230 miles.

1 of them hitting a support pillar and it’s game over for the bridge. Might take 10 across the whole length to really do a full number on it tho to account for some misses.

It is also no doubt a significant risk to the planes to do it.
 
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grunge said:
They do have the ability to do it now. It’s recent addition but it’s there.

The f16 can carry 2 jassm bombs. 1000lbs each with an accuracy of 3m and can be dropped from 230 miles.

1 of them hitting a support pillar and it’s game over for the bridge.
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I'm talking about the offensive capability to recapture the peninsula. They can blow up the bridge but they can't carry out an amphibious assault that is more likely to succeed than not.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
I'm talking about the offensive capability to recapture the peninsula. They can blow up the bridge but they can't carry out an amphibious assault that is more likely to succeed than not.
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I don't think anybody was talking about taking Crimea, it's about strengthening Ukraines hand.
 
Why has Biden given the go ahead to use their missiles , is it so he gives the headache to trump to sort out because he said he will sort it as soon as possible . More innocent people getting fucked over and murdered
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
I'm talking about the offensive capability to recapture the peninsula. They can blow up the bridge but they can't carry out an amphibious assault that is more likely to succeed than not.
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A couple of views on it really.

Take out the bridge and the main supply line is now road and rail that are within reach of HIMARS.

Land a few hundred/thousand marines ( uk has trained that many ) mid way down Crimea, resulting in Russia having to move troops down from the front line to defend Crimea and weakens the front line to slow movement or allow a crossing to left side of the Dnipro etc.

While none of that would allow Crimea to be taken back it’s a step towards it
 
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