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Having just put myself through the goals again, it's impossible to not feel a huge sense of frustration at the moment.

Personnel aside (although it definitely plays a role) we are consistently shooting ourselves in foot. It isn't acceptable at any level to concede the goals we do, whilst also allowing teams away with their own errors.

Prior to the opening goal we've missed two gilt edged chances (Haaland now on 2 goals from 8 XG after Arsenal)

First goal - Walker cedes possession when there's a simple ball inside to Lewis by fizzing it at Foden, who is brushed aside. When they recycle and pump it down the line, Gvardiol's 'defending' is laughable at best. He can tackle Kulusevski, put the ball out or just pull him over. He does zippo. It's pathetic and infuriating to hand the incentive away like this.

Second goal - Another clear error from Gvardiol, poor pass inside.

At this stage you can see the panic set in for 10 minutes afterward, we were all over the place. Yet Spurs make two or three mistakes and come out of it - like Porro looping it at the goalie etc.

Third goal - Walker weight of pass again, Foden blams it into a Spurs defender, then loses the ball again. Then it's all a mess - just flatten one of the Spurs players and take a card! It's just panicky defending but it can be stopped through a simple yellow card foul.

Fourth goal - Grealish hideous square ball and it all unravels from there.


Spurs must've been laughing their heads off, the same way Sporting were. They've been given the game through our own ineptitude by 20 minutes. It would be hard enough to recover with our best teams, let alone the patchwork ones we keep putting out at the moment.

The fixes are there with players returning, but there's a distinct lack of confidence not helped by routinely giving up these idiotic goals. Brighton was the same too - the first goal is playground stuff.

If we were hideously bad, we wouldn't be in the positions we had at Sporting & Brighton. It's like a throwback to Pep's first seasons, not strong enough in the boxes and when it goes wrong, we start flapping - like in CL campaigns against Liverpool and Tottenham.


One of the clearest fixes is to get a more stable footing when we attack, KDB showed this in his 15 minutes - three clear cut chances.

Taking these chances would also help (5 goals from 12 XG in last 5 PL games, alongside Haaland's lack of form) How we attack plays a significant role in how we defend, as we'll always have the majority of possession.

It's then showing a bit more grit & aggression - even if we go back to the 4 centre back set up for a while. I've not really analysed the structural issue yesterday, which was mostly when Spurs built up down the left side, but there were a few times we could've just knocked one of them over facing their own goal and got into shape. Plenty of teams will do this to us.


I feel like we may now have the chance to bring Rico & a couple of others out of the team for a few weeks. This may help as although he's a great prospect, he works best complimenting the side at the moment, not being a key factor. Gvardiol needs time out of it too, he's played too many minutes.
 
Agree this would help but the issues are much wider. Ake and Stones can’t stay fit, Kovacic (when fit) can’t play the 6 role. Foden is hopelessly out of form and Savio/Doku are never going to put up numbers like Mahrez, Sane, Sterling etc.
Yes we cannt sort all the problems once, first we need to focus defense. We concede easy goals, and when we concede we collapse completely.
 
Total shots - 23 City 9 Spurs
Shots on target - 5 City 7 Spurs
Shots off target - 11 City 2 Spurs
Blocked shots - 7 City 0 Spurs
Keeper saves - 3 City 5 Spurs
Corners - 9 City 3 Spurs
Touches in the box - 43 City 17 Spurs
Fouls - 19 City 9 Spurs (Wow!)
Possession- City 57.6%

These stats suggest that we’re not poor but we are not clinical and we are defensively naive. Our fantastic possession based football is currently undermined by a worrying loss of speed in midfield and defence. We haven’t managed to block a single shot as Spurs simply ran away from us. This team has the ability but not the legs. Until we can sign fresher quality players we will continue to be concede regularly against quicker counter attacking teams. Unless we get our shooting boots on, we will not outscore the opposition. Our shooting technique is schoolyard poor. If you don’t hit the goal you aren’t likely to score.

Pep has some big decisions. IMHO he has to play Nunes and McAtee, sacrifice aging top quality for more legs in midfield. We should have enough quality and experience elsewhere to compensate. He has to try and be more pragmatic with this current version of City and perhaps sit slightly deeper as a team, give up a (tiny) bit of possession for more shape and press high up the pitch more sparingly. It was embarrassing to watch Spurs play through us yesterday, bypass our sluggish midfield and bear down unchallenged on our goal.

Finally - set pieces FFS. Why did our set-piece coach leave us to go to Arsenal (a poorer team)? Unless they were doubling his wages it can only be because he was undervalued and underused here. Surely we have players with the ability to cross a dead ball into a dangerous area 9 times out of 10. If Lazarus Saka can do it, we must have someone who can spend 30 minutes a day in training perfecting the delivery? Our corners are unprofessional and this needs to change?

If we adapt slightly we’ll be OK. If we don’t, it’s going to be a long hard season unless our luck changes and missed chances turn into goals.

My views might be wrong and way off but this is what I think and what I am seeing.

Anyway CTID.
 
We have no alternative other than play more kids. That said Lewis is a kid and he looks totally out of place in the team right now.

We need yo buy a specialist LB and RB, a DM, an attacking midfielder, and a back up to Haaland soon as possible. But we need to make sure we're not panic buying and get the right players to enhance us.
Agree mate
 
Haaland missing chances he would normally put away easily.
Foden off form.
Savinho brilliant in flashes, bags of skill, end product has been poor, adjusting to PL life.
Bernardo off form, low on confidence.
KDB coming back from injury.
Gundogan struggling, probably was not meant to play so many games.
Rico played out of position and young.
Gvardiol playing out of position.
Walker seems like his legs are gone, or at least can't perform 90 mins at this level, werner beating him for pace says it all.
Stones struggling with injury.
Nunes doesn't seem good enough.
Jack out of favour.
Ruben, Doku, kovacic, Rodri, Bobb all injured.
Youth players on bench who can't be expected to step up as they have never have really got much of a chance before.

Apart from that we seem ok
Great optimism.
 
Countless problems... Where on earth do we start?

Firstly, Pep must take the much of the blame. He continues to start players that are simply out of form. Prime examples of this are Walker, Savinho & Bernardo. All three simply aren't playing anywhere near well enough to warrant consistent starts whilst the likes of Mcatee are sat on the bench. In fact, i wouldn't be surprised to see Mcatee follow what Cole Palmer did and ask to leave in January- If he can't get game time now he never will.

Forgetting Pep picking out of form players, what has really killed us is 2/3 years of generally poor recruitment/squad planning. On the squad planning issue, we have too many aging players that are shadows of their former self (Walker, Bernardo, Gundo, KDB to name a few) and we have gone from having several 'great' players to simply 'good' players. The difference is vast. Our squad is also laughably paper thin when you consider the sheer number of fixtures we have to contend with.

On the recruitment side, When you look at the calibre of players that have departed us in the last 3 years it is genuinely frightening... Laporte, Jesus, Palmer, Zinchenko, Sterling, Cancelo, Mahrez, Fernandinho, Alvarez... I could go on. When you look at who we have brought in during the time the above names have left only really Haaland and Gvardiol have been what you could deem a success. Most have flopped badly- Nunes and Kalvin Phillips being prime examples.

I have a great deal of sympathy for the following: Walker (Been a great servant but his legs have gone), Gundo (Same as Walker), KDB (Getting old now, Always injured and carrying a lot of timber these days), Rico (Top squad rotation player but not good enough to start consistently in a teams midfield that aspire to win titles).

The other lads in the squad don't really have any excuse. Grealish has let us down for two years now, Savinho isn't good enough, Foden not fulfilling his potential.

Big problems. Breaking the bank for Barella at Inter in January would be a start towards fixing some of these issues.
 
The “bluemoon meltdown “ thread will be busy on sadcafe, they’ve waited a long time for this.
No idea for a nickname will have his/her work cut out and of course the biggest city hater on the planet SER19 the guy who lives and breaths mcfc will be chomping at the bit lol
 
Haaland missing chances he would normally put away easily.
Foden off form.
Savinho brilliant in flashes, bags of skill, end product has been poor, adjusting to PL life.
Bernardo off form, low on confidence.
KDB coming back from injury.
Gundogan struggling, probably was not meant to play so many games.
Rico played out of position and young.
Gvardiol playing out of position.
Walker seems like his legs are gone, or at least can't perform 90 mins at this level, werner beating him for pace says it all.
Stones struggling with injury.
Nunes doesn't seem good enough.
Jack out of favour.
Ruben, Doku, kovacic, Rodri, Bobb all injured.
Youth players making up the bench who can't be expected to step up as they have never really got much of a chance before now.

Apart from that we seem ok
Nothing left:)
 
Total shots - 23 City 9 Spurs
Shots on target - 5 City 7 Spurs
Shots off target - 11 City 2 Spurs
Blocked shots - 7 City 0 Spurs
Keeper saves - 3 City 5 Spurs
Corners - 9 City 3 Spurs
Touches in the box - 43 City 17 Spurs
Fouls - 19 City 9 Spurs (Wow!)
Possession- City 57.6%

These stats suggest that we’re not poor but we are not clinical and we are defensively naive. Our fantastic possession based football is currently undermined by a worrying loss of speed in midfield and defence. We haven’t managed to block a single shot as Spurs simply ran away from us. This team has the ability but not the legs. Until we can sign fresher quality players we will continue to be concede regularly against quicker counter attacking teams. Unless we get our shooting boots on, we will not outscore the opposition. Our shooting technique is schoolyard poor. If you don’t hit the goal you aren’t likely to score.

Pep has some big decisions. IMHO he has to play Nunes and McAtee, sacrifice aging top quality for more legs in midfield. We should have enough quality and experience elsewhere to compensate. He has to try and be more pragmatic with this current version of City and perhaps sit slightly deeper as a team, give up a (tiny) bit of possession for more shape and press high up the pitch more sparingly. It was embarrassing to watch Spurs play through us yesterday, bypass our sluggish midfield and bear down unchallenged on our goal.

Finally - set pieces FFS. Why did our set-piece coach leave us to go to Arsenal (a poorer team)? Unless they were doubling his wages it can only be because he was undervalued and underused here. Surely we have players with the ability to cross a dead ball into a dangerous area 9 times out of 10. If Lazarus Saka can do it, we must have someone who can spend 30 minutes a day in training perfecting the delivery? Our corners are unprofessional and this needs to change?

If we adapt slightly we’ll be OK. If we don’t, it’s going to be a long hard season unless our luck changes and missed chances turn into goals.

My views might be wrong and way off but this is what I think and what I am seeing.

Anyway CTID.

For me at the moment parts of our team look like the sort of older 6 a side mobs you see at tournaments.

You can see they were all players back in the day and can use their brain / know how to smash teams their age but they get to the semis and get pumped 8-4 by a team of 20 year olds who are better physically.
 
the injuries are killing us, but our diabolical transfer window has really come back to haunt us, if Haaland got a knock now we will be totally knackered. The past is the past, it's been unbeliveable, but with Txixi leaving, uncertainty with Pep, the continuity that has been our hallmark seems to have gone and we look a disjointed mess with the ability to play for 10/15 minutes until we get picked off. Rico And Gundo in midfield is just horrific, no physicality, no height, no energy, Rico stepping onto everything, it's a hard watch. Phil has been a shadow of last season, i look at him as a senior player now and i thought he was ready to take over from KDB, not on this form, nowhere near. Jack Grealish 100 million, hardly been seen since 2023, where is he, love him to bits, but he should be in his prime, i don't have a clue what's happening with him. The fullbacks are an accident waiting to happen, and again, nothing in reserve. City need to go out and spend the Alvarez money and get some proper depth, it's bizarre how little cover we have in many areas of the team, i know Pep loves a smaller squad with a game every 4 days we are beyond breaking point
 
For me at the moment parts of our team look like the sort of older 6 a side mobs you see at tournaments.

You can see they were all players back in the day and can use their brain / know how to smash teams their age but they get to the semis and get pumped 8-4 by a team of 20 year olds who are better physically.
Makes you wonder why there doesn’t appear to be anybody at the club that could see this situation looming and nothing was done
 
Makes you wonder why there doesn’t appear to be anybody at the club that could see this situation looming and nothing was done
Nothing lasts forever.

My guess is that Trixxi wasn't fully engaged for whatever reason the past 2 seasons or so and our transfers have suffered. Just an uniformed guess though.
 
I have decided to look upon this season with positivity.

The downturn in performances will allow the club to sit down and ruthlessly cut the playing squad. Before we couldn’t do that because the bastards continued to win season after season so we left them to it and patched the squad up bit by bit.

Treble
4 in a row

Both achievements stand out to us city fans for the rest of our lives. It also put us in a funny position regarding transfers. How could we treat the players like shit after all they have done? We didn’t and because we didn’t the squad has run its natural course.

So yes it’s shit, every other fan especially those red clubs and the media will now be happy that finally the city winning machine is ground to a stop.

We don’t treat people like shit. We appreciate their past achievements(name training grounds and put up statues) and now we can look them in the eye and say you need to be moved on for the club to keep the standards set.

Could it have been managed better? Sure but it ain’t the end of the world.

Serial winners come to an end. No other club has won as much as us so they have no right to judge now we need a rebuild.

I am genuinely grateful to every single one of them and wish them all the best going forward.

The pressure to win the league is off, try to get back to playing some nice attacking football before they leave.

Iv learned the hard way to tune out any outside negativity.
 
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Lewis is a 19 year old kid and should only be being phased in and out at this point in his development.

The current injury situation and the fact Nunes is dog shit has forced Pep’s hand.
Agree but it is what it is and Lewis (at present) isnt good enough in certain situations in midfield.....great in tight spaces but once out of them attacking wise he aint good enough....defensively he is weak...Not righting him off but he along with others (Gundo) are not good enough at present or going forward.

Nunes I agree on but that aint his fault.....thats recruitments fault...his signing along with Phillips at the time were panick buys when others didnt come off....
 
Absolutely, we need players who have pace, we’re so predictable atm it’s embarrassing and that’s everything to do with no pace in the team.
Until he flatters to deceive and then he will be called shit like pretty much every other player has.

In terms of Doku and Savinho it seems a pretty even split on here and those I have talked to in the real world.

A third think doku isn't great savinho is better
A third think savinho isn't great doku is better
A third think both aren't great
 
Makes you wonder why there doesn’t appear to be anybody at the club that could see this situation looming and nothing was done
agree with this 100%, signs were clear last season, I was honestly surprised we won the league, thought we'd win the CL though. Looking back, we won the league the same way as the rags did in the last ferguson season, other teams were still afraid of them and not quite at the level needed. This season it's different.

We need a serious rebuild and let's spend some money. I'm fine with a small squad if thats Peps preference, but it needs to be a quality small squad. Recruitment, with the exception of Josko, has been poor for the last 2 years.
 

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