US Politics Thread

[ChicagoBlue]

Incredible really.

Known power.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

"The Land of the Free" just took on a whole different meaning!

‘Twas always thus.

This particular presidential power is only new to those who either didn’t know it existed or were not familiar with the fact that it has been used for almost 250 yrs!

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

‘Twas always thus.

This particular presidential power is only new to those who either didn’t know it existed or were not familiar with the fact that it has been used for almost 250 yrs!

But, do you accept it as right?

 

[Username Required]

That wasn’t exactly “news!” Telling people “I predict the sun is going to rise in the East and set in the West tomorrow” doesn’t get one a victory lap…even in the Bluemoon Politics thread! ;-)

And, anyone who thought Hunter was NOT getting a full pardon is insane!

The problem is two-fold:

1. People who said Joe Biden was lying when he promised to respect the decision of the jury, and that he would not pardon Hunter because no-one was above the law were excoriated at the time for saying Joe Biden was lying.

"But but Trump!"

You know Joe Biden? The one that calls Donald Trump and his MAGA Republicans a "threat to democracy" then meets him all smiles in the White House and promises a peaceful transition of power?

2. This is more than a "full pardon" which is always written with specificity. According to (I forget her name, I posted about her a few pages ago) the lawyer who worked in the DOJ from 1990 to 1997 as the "pardon expert" this pardon in it's scope and breadth and general nature is unlike any other ever, except the one granted Richard Nixon.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Do you want it changed?

Politicians taking power away from themselves?

What kind of storybook Fairy Tale is this? Oh, and it is Constitutional power, so good luck with any change of that!

Most Americans don’t bat an eyelid over most pardons, then there is the occasional one that gets a second look, but most people are simply immune to any serious or deep feeling about it.

The ONLY thing that has raised an eyebrow is the timing, as most would have expected it to be a “last day” pardon, but events behind the scenes might have brought that forward.

Either way, it’ll be news for the minute it comes out of the broadcaster’s mouth, and then another minute on the 24/7 news analysis shows, then tomorrow the sun will rise in the East again!

 

[mackenzie]

The problem is two-fold:

1. People who said Joe Biden was lying when he promised to respect the decision of the jury, and that he would not pardon Hunter because no-one was above the law were excoriated at the time for saying Joe Biden was lying.

"But but Trump!"

You know Joe Biden? The one that calls Donald Trump and his MAGA Republicans a "threat to democracy" then meets him all smiles in the White House and promises a peaceful transition of power?

2. This is more than a "full pardon" which is always written with specificity. According to (I forget her name, I posted about her a few pages ago) the lawyer who worked in the DOJ from 1990 to 1997 as the "pardon expert" this pardon in it's scope and breadth and general nature is unlike any other ever, except the one granted Richard Nixon.

I was just about to ask that; as in "is it normal to backdate for so long? Or is it uncommon?" Thanks for explaining again.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

But, do you accept it as right?

I accept it as A right.

If I got hot and bothered about everything with which I disagree in the American justice system, my head would have exploded by now.

This RIGHT was enshrined in the Constitution. Changing that, especially for this, is as close to impossible as it gets. Think about political persecution and what the pardon power does.

Trump has been specific in his threats. Biden has protected his son from Trump’s vindictiveness, as ANY Father with such power would do.

I will not waste a second or a brain cell on this pardon. It was inevitable and foreseeable.

 

[Blue Maverick]

I hope he pardons those 4 soldiers that were branded war criminals for a crime they didn't commit in the 80s..

He will but one won’t get on a plane to meet him

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Let’s not forget who Trump nominated as his original AG, and who he’s settled on now the alleged pedo has stepped back!

Judicially, we are on the high dive about to do a triple somersault with a double twist into a thimble full of water.

If Biden pardoning his son has you in a tizzy, you’d better take a seat and a Xanax!

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

I maintain Garland’s DOJ was NOT weaponized.

I maintain ANYONE who thought Hunter Biden was going to jail is an imbecile.

I maintain anyone who thinks any Trump acolyte is going to jail is an imbecile.

If that is being an open partisan, then I guess I’m guilty. Can I get a pardon?

No one seems to give much of a shit about the victims of the crimes folks get pardoned for.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

No one seems to give much of a shit about the victims of the crimes folks get pardoned for.

Well, I’m struggling to find the “victim” in Hunter’s conviction, but, as you say, other pardons are less clean cut.

 

[Username Required]

But, do you accept it as right?

As I posted a couple of pages ago - the power to pardon and commute goes back to 7th century Wessex and in English law was a power reserved to the crown.

Yes, I accept it though clearly there are problems in application. These problems might very well be called "corruption" but did it start with Donald Trump OR Joe Biden? Frankly, where is the proof that everyone from Washington to Reagan were corrupt in their use of the pardon power? You'd have to examine every single grant of every single president - you know, collect data.

"I just feel it's corrupt and wrong so it is and always has been".

 

[Blue Maverick]

I accept it as A right.

If I got hot and bothered about everything with which I disagree in the American justice system, my head would have exploded by now.

This RIGHT was enshrined in the Constitution. Changing that, especially for this, is as close to impossible as it gets. Think about political persecution and what the pardon power does.

Trump has been specific in his threats. Biden has protected his son from Trump’s vindictiveness, as ANY Father with such power would do.

I will not waste a second or a brain cell on this pardon. It was inevitable and foreseeable.

Trouble is many of the things enshrined in the constitution where not meant for modern day, number 2 springs to mind straight away, it was made when muskets were the weapon of choice not AR15s.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I accept it as A right.

Politicians taking power away from themselves?

What kind of storybook Fairy Tale is this?

Thanks for answering both of my posts honestly.
The answers above are the opposite way round to the order they were asked.

The second answer is perhaps not to the question I asked. I was asking Dax in particular and the individual in general whether they wished for a change in the corruption, not if you thought it was possible or probable in the current political climate. Is the desire there to alter things.
Or does the system suit you.

That then is linked to the first answer above. It may be in the constitution as a right. The question to the individual however is do you believe it IS right.

I think your answers are honest, and perhaps resigned to the reality but I also think they are highly revealing of what the American public accepts and finds normal.

I think the more that is normalised the worse it progressively gets. Where is the rubicon?
I would imagine Dax will consider the question and answer in time. But I’m getting my answer from many contributions in here not necessarily replying to me.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Trouble is many of the things enshrined in the constitution where not meant for modern day, number 2 springs to mind straight away, it was made when muskets were the weapon of choice not AR15s.

2nd amendment. Before T-Shirts were invented too.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Well, I’m struggling to find the “victim” in Hunter’s conviction, but, as you say, other pardons are less clean cut.

Kushner's pardon really irks me.

What he did initially was essentially try and subvert justice by the using a hooker to blackmail his sister's husband. The whole thing was for personal gain.

 

[Dax777]

Dax, The reason I stay in this thread and engage with yourself in particular who obviously sees things differently to me, is that I believe in seeing the world through other’s eyes if you want to learn anything.

But I’m not behind the door in calling a spade a spade instead of an agricultural excavational implement.

The irony of your response above is that when I have in the past tried to discuss and also to learn about your system that allows the judiciary in particular to be owned and corruption in general, yes you did address it and I’ll paraphrase again ( I know, I know- you hate it) - it is what it is and you have it in your country too!

Our Judiciary is NOT owned. That's simply how Left leaning Americans (mostly those here) frame it.

The left and the right in America have a different World View, and when either comes to power and there is a judicial vacancy, whoever is in office picks a judge who's worldview are philosophically in line with theirs.

The pretense that the Judiciary is owned is just an often repeated lie. They simply don't agree with that worldview.

To my recollection there was not so much an acknowledgment that the system is wrong, it was more - it’s everywhere in the world.

I'm not sure that's what I said. Rather I think I said the us vs them mentality of politics vis everywhere in the West.

So is more like City vs United. City fans don't quote supporting City if Cory gets a soft penalty given to them. Yet we'd go ape-shit cursing out the same outcome of it happened against City and for day United.

That bunkering mentality makes politics intuitively dishonest. But with our sports teams the stakes for fanatical support are low..Not the same for politics.

Part of the problem is IF the world accepts that’s how you get things done. Never mind if you’re for Reps or Dems and I don’t get s vote but have admitted I don’t like Trump as a human being. But if both parties are corrupt and the world is too, how do we change that?

Do you want it changed?

Do I want a less corrupt government? Come on man, who doesn't?

I maintain Garland’s DOJ was NOT weaponized.

I maintain ANYONE who thought Hunter Biden was going to jail is an imbecile.

I maintain anyone who thinks any Trump acolyte is going to jail is an imbecile.

If that is being an open partisan, then I guess I’m guilty. Can I get a pardon?

You are pardoned.

 

[Dax777]

I said nothing wrong. Republicans will go to town on this. Which you'd fully expect them to. The Democrats would do exactly the same if the roles were reversed.

By the way; I'm a long long way from being a" leftist".

I actually didn't mean you were. My bad. I meant this was a general idea.

 

[Dax777]

I take great solace in knowing this is the best day of your life.

Awww! Thanks for the affection, lovely :)

 

[Aphex]

The real issue with the media and politics that people buy into.

If Biden and the Democrats really thought Trump is a Nazi, then why would he pose for this picture?

A large number of people, it seems, have been stitched up by the narrative.