I think Chicagoblue is arguing that Democrats are "lying, devious, pony-faced sons of bitches"
@ChicagoBlue say it ain't so!
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TRUMP: We have, we have, we have won this election in Georgia based on all of this. And there’s, there’s nothing wrong with saying that, Brad. You know, I mean, having the, having a correct — the people of Georgia are angry and these numbers are going to be repeated on Monday night, along with others that we’re going to have by that time, which are much more substantial even. And the people of Georgia are angry, the people of the country are angry. And there’s nothing wrong with saying that, you know, um, that you’ve recalculated. And there’s nothing wrong with saying that, you know, um, that you’ve recalculated because the 2,236 and absentee ballots, I mean, they're all exact numbers that were, were done by accounting firms, law firms, etc. And even if you cut ’em in half, cut ’em in half and cut ’em in half again, it’s more votes than we need.
FogBlueInSanFran
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In both cases, you should read more.
FogBlueInSanFran
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As in to come round to your point of view? I've tried that.
2020?
Trevor Morley's Tache
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History will be the ultimate decider. The fact that some Trump supporters on here are trying to occupy a made-up fantasy world moral high ground over Biden's pardon is frankly laughable.
FogBlueInSanFran
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No, to educate yourself. You'll never come around to my point of view, obviously. But the story of Watergate is interesting -- a lot of things both sides think we've never seen before we absolutely have seen before -- but politicians and the public reacted very differently to crimes and lying then.
Trevor Morley's Tache
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Gingrich has got a lot to answer for.
FogBlueInSanFran
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They've been doing it since 2015; it's 100% par for the course. If it wasn't this it'd be something else. And if you say, as I did, I think Biden is 100% in the wrong here, they pretend a) you never said it and b) refuse to acknowledge the same about their own guy's mistakes/misdeeds and/or simply use it as cover for them.
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It ain’t so.
If you don’t change with the times, you’re simply not paying attention.
Times changed. An offense that would never have resulted in jail was going to do so, and he was going to be left swinging in Trump’s breeze. Was never going to happen, esp after seeing and hearing from the MAGAts involved in law enforcement.
You can bang the “liar” drum until you’re blue in the face, but it’s crocodile tears at best and outright bald-faced hypocrisy at worst, given Trump (the world’s biggest liar EVER) is leading the parade.
Trevor Morley's Tache
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I genuinely can't think of anyone else in a high-profile public role that has uttered so many PROVABLE lies.
I'm educated thanks. Again, just not in the way you want me to be.
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Meanwhile, the biggest plum in the cake goes to the biggest contributor to Trump!
Three words Trump definitely understands:
PAY TO PLAY
Warren Stephens, an investment banker and billionaire who donated to President-elect Donald J. Trump’s PACs in the 2024 race, was tapped as Mr. Trump’s ambassador to Britain on Monday.
The selection of Mr. Stephens for the ambassadorship, a plum posting that often goes to one of the largest donors to a presidential campaign, was in part a nod to the American Opportunity Alliance, a big-money network of Republican donors in which Mr. Stephens plays a leadership role.
Three words Trump definitely understands:
PAY TO PLAY
Warren Stephens, an investment banker and billionaire who donated to President-elect Donald J. Trump’s PACs in the 2024 race, was tapped as Mr. Trump’s ambassador to Britain on Monday.
The selection of Mr. Stephens for the ambassadorship, a plum posting that often goes to one of the largest donors to a presidential campaign, was in part a nod to the American Opportunity Alliance, a big-money network of Republican donors in which Mr. Stephens plays a leadership role.
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What’s 21 per day between friends:
TWENTY ONE PER DAY
“During his presidency, Donald Trump made 30,573 false or misleading claims, averaging approximately 21 per day according to The Washington Post‘s fact-checkers.”
FogBlueInSanFran
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If you were, you wouldn't have said what you said about weaponization of the DOJ (nor called it the GOP instead of the DOJ).
But you're right -- what I want you to be is a poster who doesn't make factual mistakes.
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You do know “alternative facts” are a made up thing, right?! It was so they didn’t have to say “bold-faced lies” to the world’s media!
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There is election cheats and deniers on both sides. I just can't abide a one sided debate.
And maybe you know more about Watergate, it shaped your country. There's nothing that can compare with on the ground theory in some respects.
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There is one aspect of American exceptionalism about which no one in this country should be proud: The United States is the only country in the world that regularly sells the title “ambassador.” What may be even worse is that efforts to limit the practice may become yet another victim of the hyper-partisan politics of Washington.
This uniquely American tradition is so deeply rooted that it has become a quadrennial punch line. At the start of every presidential term, journalists ask about the latest crop of “pay-to-play” ambassadors. The White House press spokesperson often responds by making a joke about it. For example, in 2009, the reason that spokesman Robert Gibbs gave for former President Obama’s choice of Louis Susman as ambassador to London was that he was fluent in the local language.
It even expanded under the Trump administration because there were new ways to give besides campaign contributions. One could make a deposit directly into the president’s pocket by paying dues as members of former President Trump’s golf clubs — eight people evidently secured ambassadorships this way. Writing a check for $1 million for the inauguration apparently helped to get Woody Johnson to the Court of St. James and Gordon Sondland, a nice place to stay in Brussels when he wasn’t in Ukraine.
Obama picks financial backer for UK ambassador post
Chicago friend Louis Susman chosen for plum posting despite president's promise to end cronyism in Washington
London is not the only posting being used to reward political supporters. Other positions in Europe are expected to be filled on the basis of patronage. Dan Rooney, owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers football team, who campaigned for Obama, is to be the ambassador to Dublin.
Obama's predecessor, George W Bush, sent two of his financier backers to the UK: William Farish, a Texas multimillionaire, and Robert Tuttle, a California car dealer.
Barack Obama picks Louis Susman for UK ambassador post
Chicago friend Louis Susman chosen for plum posting despite Obama's promise to end cronyism in Washington
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Obama’s New Ambassador Nominees Gave Big — and Bundled Bigger
Obama's New Ambassador Nominees Gave Big - and Bundled Bigger - OpenSecrets News
The latest batch of picks for U.S. ambassadorships–along with their spouses and children–have contributed at least $637,800 to federal candidates, parties and committees since 1989, including $32,775 to Obama himself. These people also brought in at least $1.1 million for Obama's presidential...
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President Obama announced another 10 names for ambassadorships last week, and in doing so, he awarded another set of big donors and bundlers with plum positions representing U.S. interests abroad. The new nominees for ambassadors to Belize, Belgium, Liechtenstein, Romania and Switzerland–along with their spouses and dependent children–have contributed at least $637,800 to federal candidates, parties and committees since 1989, CRP has found. Nearly that entire sum has gone to Democrats, including $32,775 to Obama himself and $8,300 to former primary opponent and now-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. These individuals also brought in at least $1.1 million for Obama’s presidential bid as bundlers, and at least another half-a-million as bundlers for his inauguration.
Obama's ambassador picks: Pay to play?
Andy Card and Reihan Salam discuss President Obama handing ambassadorships to his biggest donors.
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Again, that explains why he pardoned him for the fake crimes of lying on a paper and being a druggie.
Doesn't explain the perdon for crimes committed from up to 2 years before his tax issues and 4 years before his gun issue.
Like Ive said, I'm not surprised. But let's not pretend to not understand what's happening.