Priced out? | Club announce that matchday tickets being reduced by up to 43% (p93)

[Betterdeedthan red]

That will be 2000 unsold tickets. There will have been more empty seats. I couldn't go on Wednesday and listed my seat on the exchange. It didn't sell but that seat would have been included in the attendance figure.

I thought when you listed your ticket on the exchange it was guaranteed they would give you the money.
Mine didn't sell but know sign of any money.
Can't guarantee the tourists will buy them all after a few bad results.
Time to value the proper fans.
Time to stand together which ever club it is.
It's time to all come together.
Fans before tourists.

 

[Betterdeedthan red]

£90! For a third round match. This is ridiculous. We need to remove the rivalry and work with other fan groups on this.

it’s not just working class people, there pricing out most now.

Absolutely.
Stand together even with rags.
Something needs to change before it's too late

 

[.db.]

£90! For a third round match. This is ridiculous. We need to remove the rivalry and work with other fan groups on this.

it’s not just working class people, there pricing out most now.

Yep, doesn’t matter who anyone supports when it comes to this. Fans have to take a stand and do it together as one before it’s too late.

English football is going to implode soon. It’ll be like Serie A from the late 90s and 00s where ticket prices went through the roof and fans just stopped going.

Juventus used to get about 25,000 in their old Stadio Delle Alpi which held 70,000. There was a Turin derby in that stadium that had an attendance of just 19,000 in 2003… and Juve got to the CL final that season. That stadium was only built in 1990 and ended up being knocked down in 2009. It was newer than the Etihad is now when it was demolished.




Even the two best supported clubs: Inter and Milan; struggled with 36,000ish average attendances in their 80,000 San Siro at times in the mid 2010s.




Roma v Sampdoria in 2014:


Clubs priced out their fans, fans stopped going, huge stadiums were empty, TV companies stopped buying their TV rights and the clubs were skint. Only 2 Italian teams have won the CL since 2003, and none in the last 14 years.

It’s slowly starting to get better in Serie A now. The Milan clubs are back getting 72,000 average attendances. It’s probably the second best quality league in Europe behind the PL now. But it had two decades where it ate itself and was in a terrible mess for what was once the greatest league in the world that everyone wanted to watch.

Yet even now they are showing they haven’t learnt their lesson: look at the attendance between Milan and Liverpool earlier this season in the CL: 58,000, 22,000 empty seats when their Serie A attendances are over 70,000… all because they tried to cash-in. Tickets were said to start at €125 for home fans. That’s half a season ticket in the Bundesliga, just for one CL game.

 

[Really_here]

Yep, doesn’t matter who anyone supports when it comes to this. Fans have to take a stand and do it together as one before it’s too late.

English football is going to implode soon. It’ll be like Serie A from the late 90s and 00s where ticket prices went through the roof and fans just stopped going.

Juventus used to get about 25,000 in their old Stadio Delle Alpi which held 70,000. There was a Turin derby in that stadium that had an attendance of just 19,000 in 2003… and Juve got to the CL final that season. That stadium was only built in 1990 and ended up being knocked down in 2009. It was newer than the Etihad is now when it was demolished.

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Even the two best supported clubs: Inter and Milan; struggled with 36,000ish average attendances in their 80,000 San Siro at times in the mid 2010s.

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Roma v Sampdoria in 2014:
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Clubs priced out their fans, fans stopped going, huge stadiums were empty, TV companies stopped buying their TV rights and the clubs were skint. Only 2 Italian teams have won the CL since 2003, and none in the last 14 years.

It’s slowly starting to get better in Serie A now. The Milan clubs are back getting 72,000 average attendances. It’s probably the second best quality league in Europe behind the PL now. But it had two decades where it ate itself and was in a terrible mess for what was once the greatest league in the world that everyone wanted to watch.

Yet even now they are showing they haven’t learnt their lesson: look at the attendance between Milan and Liverpool earlier this season in the CL: 58,000, 22,000 empty seats when their Serie A attendances are over 70,000… all because they tried to cash-in. Tickets were said to start at €125 for home fans. That’s half a season ticket in the Bundesliga, just for one CL game.

Great post

 

[halfcenturyup]

No. It's policy as I know our CEO believes we should pay more for watching a successful team. He even ignored Khaldoon's view that the fans were paying enough, back in 2017/18.

So I'm guessing we can expect reduced prices if we win nothing this season and finish outside the top four.

I also know he was also planning for an ESL, well before its short-lived announcement.

Can't shake the idea he is a ****.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I would rather he went than Txiki. He clearly has no empathy with City fans but we have to assume the board thinks he's doing a "good" job. However, somewhat surprisingly, he's not even on the City board, let alone CFG. That's strange in my opinion.

However we really shouldn't give our enemies in the media any more bullets than they already have. Yesterday was an example of how people escalated a situation that was certainly unfortunate, into an unnecessary crisis, without really understanding the background, or thinking of the consequences.

The media, particularly people like Harris and Delaney, definitely read these threads looking for sticks to beat us with.

Naah. Fuck it. Call a **** a **** like a good Mancunian should.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Some Blues have got short memories. All those years we went to the swamp and were mocked. We sang, “ 35 years and we’re still here” loud and proud. This was before the “integrity of the points system” helped to ensure our fans were quiet at enemies grounds like Anfield and OT.

Their local fans were priced out decades ago. We know no match going Stretford Reds. Get a couple of pints in them and they are the same obnoxious rags they’ve always been.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I thought when you listed your ticket on the exchange it was guaranteed they would give you the money.
Mine didn't sell but know sign of any money.
Can't guarantee the tourists will buy them all after a few bad results.
Time to value the proper fans.
Time to stand together which ever club it is.
It's time to all come together.
Fans before tourists.

Normally you don't get the money unless it sells, but City Matters got a concession from the club that for certain games they'd guarantee a refund even if it didn't sell. Obviously that's just the bigger games.

City Matters, particularly the Ticketing working group, put a lot of time and effort into encouraging people to ensure their seats weren't empty if they couldn't attend. This was one of the suggestions, along with the text messages you get before games encouraging you to list or transfer your ticket if you don't plan to use it.

People mock these texts, or complain that the club "makes a profit on their seat" but at the end of the day it's the clubs' seats and, if the seat is listed on the exchange and sells, you get back what you paid for it and someone else gets to use it.

 

[East Level 2]

English football is going to implode soon. It’ll be like Serie A from the late 90s and 00s where ticket prices went through the roof and fans just stopped going.

I'll take this point in isolation: "The football bubble will soon burst" has been heard for at least 30 years, but English football has continued to grow during that time. I don't agree with the stupid increases in ticket prices, but the prospect of an implosion has been around for a long time and has yet to occur. Greedy club executives will try to screw as much out of the punters as they can until the last possible moment.
The newspapers were full of comments about the game being "all about money" when Alf Common became the first player to be transferred for £1,000 around 120 years ago. We hear the same refrain every time a significant transfer milestone is reached, but transfer prices continue to rise above inflation and the game continues to grow, at least at the elite level. We also heard the same comment when the maximum wage was scrapped in the early 60s and now wages for top players are truly astronomical.
The only significant relaxation by the clubs has been the PL putting a cap of £30 for away fans, but some clubs get round this by allowing third-party touting agencies to buy these tickets and sell at a higher price. I'm sure the clubs must be getting some form of kick-back to facilitate this. - That £30 maximum was great when I was seeing most away games pre-Covid, but only applies in the Prem and several Championship sides were charging away fans more.
I feel sure an implosion will occur at some point, but if the next broadcast deal generates a higher income, then that implosion may be a long time coming.

 

[mexico1970]

I'll take this point in isolation: "The football bubble will soon burst" has been heard for at least 30 years, but English football has continued to grow during that time. I don't agree with the stupid increases in ticket prices, but the prospect of an implosion has been around for a long time and has yet to occur. Greedy club executives will try to screw as much out of the punters as they can until the last possible moment.
The newspapers were full of comments about the game being "all about money" when Alf Common became the first player to be transferred for £1,000 around 120 years ago. We hear the same refrain every time a significant transfer milestone is reached, but transfer prices continue to rise above inflation and the game continues to grow, at least at the elite level. We also heard the same comment when the maximum wage was scrapped in the early 60s and now wages for top players are truly astronomical.
The only significant relaxation by the clubs has been the PL putting a cap of £30 for away fans, but some clubs get round this by allowing third-party touting agencies to buy these tickets and sell at a higher price. I'm sure the clubs must be getting some form of kick-back to facilitate this. - That £30 maximum was great when I was seeing most away games pre-Covid, but only applies in the Prem and several Championship sides were charging away fans more.
I feel sure an implosion will occur at some point, but if the next broadcast deal generates a higher income, then that implosion may be a long time coming.

Except right now the actual cost of it is genuinely pricing out fans who have gone all of their lives, families are attending in smaller numbers, they are killing the game as we watch on a weekly rate.

It is WAY too expensive now, it's either going to reign it in or break IMHO. The football circle is one of obscene wealth and the players and executives are so far out of our reach they may as well be on another planet.

They are thinking of putting prices up again, just think about that?

 

[East Level 2]

Except right now the actual cost of it is genuinely pricing out fans who have gone all of their lives, families are attending in smaller numbers, they are killing the game as we watch on a weekly rate.

It is WAY too expensive now, it's either going to reign it in or break IMHO. The football circle is one of obscene wealth and the players and executives are so far out of our reach they may as well be on another planet.

They are thinking of putting prices up again, just think about that?

I agree people are genuinely being priced out and I'm lucky to be able to afford to attend, but the clubs don't care as those that are priced out can often be replaced by others, and short-term thinking means these "others" can be locals who may become regulars or tourists who won't care whether they head east or west when leaving Piccadilly station.
I hate the monetisation of fans, but the club aren't going to listen while they can take the piss with impunity.
And those at the top who are calling the shots are probably on salaries that will generate a great lifestyle even if they never work again once the bubble really bursts. That's why they don't give a stuff about the long term.

 

[mexico1970]

I agree people are genuinely being priced out and I'm lucky to be able to afford to attend, but the clubs don't care as those that are priced out can often be replaced by others, and short-term thinking means these "others" can be locals who may become regulars or tourists who won't care whether they head east or west when leaving Piccadilly station.
I hate the monetisation of fans, but the club aren't going to listen while they can take the piss with impunity.
And those at the top who are calling the shots are probably on salaries that will generate a great lifestyle even if they never work again once the bubble really bursts. That's why they don't give a stuff about the long term.

This is probably irrational but when I hear fans telling other fans to stay behind in the winter weather to clap and cheer the players off rather than making sure they are OK and have a long journey home I find it a little sycophantic, the players are walking into a central heated area for a warm shower and a bite to eat.

The longer it goes on it's getting more and more like the fucking hunger games :)

 

[eastlandsblue]

Had a big debate about this with two members of the red cartel. It started with the empty seats jibe. I normally look at them in bemusement. Because I go and they don’t.
Which his always my reply. On this occasion, I reminded both idiots that fans of all clubs are currently protesting about prices, so maybe they should look at it from that view point.
That some City fans take action and refuse to pay. Both started laughing and claimed it doesn’t matter for them, because they’ll alway have fans to fill the empty seats.
I just looked them in the face and told them they’re a pair of clowns, because that’s precisely the problem. While idiotic day trippers keep paying these prices. We’ll have this issue for years.

One rag fan who does go, told the pair of them to listen at what’s being said. Because he’s one of those fans who will be walking away from it soon because he’s being priced out

On I side note. Not having tourist on Tuesday night was quite refreshing and will have hopefully got some board members discussing prices

 

[mexico1970]

Had a big debate about this with two members of the red cartel. It started with the empty seats jibe. I normally look at them in bemusement. Because I go and they don’t.
Which his always my reply. On this occasion, I reminded both idiots that fans of all clubs are currently protesting about prices, so maybe they should look at it from that view point.
That some City fans take action and refuse to pay. Both started laughing and claimed it doesn’t matter for them, because they’ll alway have fans to fill the empty seats.
I just looked them in the face and told them they’re a pair of clowns, because that’s precisely the problem. While idiotic day trippers keep paying these prices. Red cartel clubs will have this issue for years.

One rag fan who does go, told the pair of them to listen at what’s being said. Because he’s one of those fans who will be walking away from it soon because he’s being priced out

On I side note. Not having tourist on Tuesday night was quite refreshing and will have hopefully got some board members discussing prices

I know one match going rag, that's all I know of. The rest of the rags view through remote control and even then mostly they can't be arsed.

Tourists ARE their fanbase, their rank and file. For them the Horse has bolted already.

 

[eastlandsblue]

I know one match going rag, that's all I know of. The rest of the rags view through remote control and even then mostly they can't be arsed.

Tourists ARE their fanbase, their rank and file. For them the Horse has bolted already.

Exactly. And their problem could one day be ours. Not selling out everyday is keeping the wolf away from our door to a certain point. Our prices at the moment are affordable to some of us ( just ) but our success is bringing in more tourist by the season

 

[mancboy]

Had a big debate about this with two members of the red cartel. It started with the empty seats jibe. I normally look at them in bemusement. Because I go and they don’t.
Which his always my reply. On this occasion, I reminded both idiots that fans of all clubs are currently protesting about prices, so maybe they should look at it from that view point.
That some City fans take action and refuse to pay. Both started laughing and claimed it doesn’t matter for them, because they’ll alway have fans to fill the empty seats.
I just looked them in the face and told them they’re a pair of clowns, because that’s precisely the problem. While idiotic day trippers keep paying these prices. We’ll have this issue for years.

One rag fan who does go, told the pair of them to listen at what’s being said. Because he’s one of those fans who will be walking away from it soon because he’s being priced out

On I side note. Not having tourist on Tuesday night was quite refreshing and will have hopefully got some board members discussing prices

theres a valuable lesson to be learned here, NEVER debate with the perenially stupid or rags or dippers they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

 

[hallsteve62]

I know one match going rag, that's all I know of. The rest of the rags view through remote control and even then mostly they can't be arsed.

Tourists ARE their fanbase, their rank and file. For them the Horse has bolted already.

He went to Leicester didn't he? ; )

 

[mexico1970]

Exactly. And their problem could one day be ours. Not selling out everyday is keeping the wolf away from our door to a certain point. Our prices at the moment are affordable to some of us ( just ) but our success is bringing in more tourist by the season

I'm surprised the club hasn't offered discounts for visa holding holidaymakers yet.

 

[mexico1970]

Yep, doesn’t matter who anyone supports when it comes to this. Fans have to take a stand and do it together as one before it’s too late.

English football is going to implode soon. It’ll be like Serie A from the late 90s and 00s where ticket prices went through the roof and fans just stopped going.

Juventus used to get about 25,000 in their old Stadio Delle Alpi which held 70,000. There was a Turin derby in that stadium that had an attendance of just 19,000 in 2003… and Juve got to the CL final that season. That stadium was only built in 1990 and ended up being knocked down in 2009. It was newer than the Etihad is now when it was demolished.

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Even the two best supported clubs: Inter and Milan; struggled with 36,000ish average attendances in their 80,000 San Siro at times in the mid 2010s.

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Roma v Sampdoria in 2014:
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Clubs priced out their fans, fans stopped going, huge stadiums were empty, TV companies stopped buying their TV rights and the clubs were skint. Only 2 Italian teams have won the CL since 2003, and none in the last 14 years.

It’s slowly starting to get better in Serie A now. The Milan clubs are back getting 72,000 average attendances. It’s probably the second best quality league in Europe behind the PL now. But it had two decades where it ate itself and was in a terrible mess for what was once the greatest league in the world that everyone wanted to watch.

Yet even now they are showing they haven’t learnt their lesson: look at the attendance between Milan and Liverpool earlier this season in the CL: 58,000, 22,000 empty seats when their Serie A attendances are over 70,000… all because they tried to cash-in. Tickets were said to start at €125 for home fans. That’s half a season ticket in the Bundesliga, just for one CL game.

Did Italy have a shedload of tourists going to their games when they were at their peak? And when they declined did it take a decade or so to entice the real fans back?

 

[Kippaxian]

That's a good point.

I do have NFC on my phone but it never works for some reason getting into the ground so I've taken to just shoving my phone in the hole with the barcode showing.

Once inside someone behind the bar has to 'blip' me as my NFC isn't turned on to get my normal SC discount.

Might be a faff getting in against the rags if as I believe we are getting the credit in SS3 then.

Mines the same but it's due to the phone case I have. I use the barcode all the time as can't be arsed taking it out of its Tonka Case.