PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Moss Side's Finest said:
I thought it was less than 20%.
Plus, Silver lake is an investment fund as opposed to an American ownership model
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The relationship between Mubadala and Silver Lake extends WELL passed City, they're in each other's pockets for billions. They invested in us because they believe in what we're doing and think their investment will be worth billions in the future, they're not here to take any form of control and certainly wouldn't go against the goals of Abu Dhabi

EDIT: I actually meant to quote the other post
 
Damocles said:
The relationship between Mubadala and Silver Lake extends WELL passed City, they're in each other's pockets for billions. They invested in us because they believe in what we're doing and think their investment will be worth billions in the future, they're not here to take any form of control and certainly wouldn't go against the goals of Abu Dhabi

EDIT: I actually meant to quote the other post
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Dont they own UFC and WWE now as well?
 
Colin Bells Boots said:
Whilst you are no doubt correct in identifying the rags, I'm not convinced that they are actually the worst culprits behind the attacks on the club.

I suspect the dippers, gooners and the perennial failures spurs are all more active in their attacks on us.

The rags get money hand over fist courtesy of the millions of braindeads who throw money at them simply because they see them as the club to follow.

The dippers are the same but we already know that from their past antics they seek to be as successful in terms of winning things , hacking and I suspect many more underhand machinations .

The gooners need to try and match our success on the pitch so are desperate to nullify us if possible.

But the most desperate and therefore driven in the cabal are surely fucking spurs with Daniel Levy and their crooked owner Joe Lewis or whoever supposedly owns them.

These are the real driver who will be pushing lackies like Masters imo, because of the need for a higher profile of success and therefore income.

Have hated them since their fucking mid-week wembley win, and nothing they have done or achieved ( or more like not-achieved ) has changed my opinions of the club or their fans. Entitled and deluded beyond belief.

Of course I could be wrong.............
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The Premier League is 100% controlled by United, Why else have they won it the most and Liverpool only once
Even the voting system is controlled by them when wanting a rule change it happens, Also this season the £75 million in allowances for clearing PSR rules,

When you have controlled the league for so long and handed titles and cups and then all of a sudden somebody wants to take it away from you you try anything possible to stop them, They have tried just about everything possible with rule changes and it never stopped us, So the only way is to throw some shit around and try and make it stick,

I am 100% its comes from over the road, it's their sort of thing and they always want to wash somebody's dirty pants in public, United and Fergie did it to Newcastle Liverpool Arsenal and they buckled under the pressure

Do you remember when Fergie said that simple quote ? Never in my lifetime, that is the power he had or thought he had, I still think he thinks we are still little old City, But we were never a little club just a badly run club
 
Colin Bells Boots said:
Whilst you are no doubt correct in identifying the rags, I'm not convinced that they are actually the worst culprits behind the attacks on the club.

I suspect the dippers, gooners and the perennial failures spurs are all more active in their attacks on us.

The rags get money hand over fist courtesy of the millions of braindeads who throw money at them simply because they see them as the club to follow.

The dippers are the same but we already know that from their past antics they seek to be as successful in terms of winning things , hacking and I suspect many more underhand machinations .

The gooners need to try and match our success on the pitch so are desperate to nullify us if possible.

But the most desperate and therefore driven in the cabal are surely fucking spurs with Daniel Levy and their crooked owner Joe Lewis or whoever supposedly owns them.

These are the real driver who will be pushing lackies like Masters imo, because of the need for a higher profile of success and therefore income.

Have hated them since their fucking mid-week wembley win, and nothing they have done or achieved ( or more like not-achieved ) has changed my opinions of the club or their fans. Entitled and deluded beyond belief.

Of course I could be wrong.............
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It was a Thursday
 
Moss Side's Finest said:
And. Whilst all this City bashing has been going on and whilst all this 'the middle east is taking over and needs to be stopped' propaganda has been peddled. The Americans have quietly acquired their 10th club in the Premier League, meaning they now control HALF of the clubs in the league, which means they have at least 50% of the votes in any decisions about the future of the league. Add to this the fact that all UK TV coverage of the league is also American owned and you can see how nobody else stands a chance outside of Uncle Sam's own clubs.

I challenge you to go and find the sensationalist headlines and articles about the risk this poses for our great game.... I wouldn't even bother looking if I were you
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I will be shocked if we dont see PL games being played in the US before 2030
 
Moss Side's Finest said:
And. Whilst all this City bashing has been going on and whilst all this 'the middle east is taking over and needs to be stopped' propaganda has been peddled. The Americans have quietly acquired their 10th club in the Premier League, meaning they now control HALF of the clubs in the league, which means they have at least 50% of the votes in any decisions about the future of the league. Add to this the fact that all UK TV coverage of the league is also American owned and you can see how nobody else stands a chance outside of Uncle Sam's own clubs.

I challenge you to go and find the sensationalist headlines and articles about the risk this poses for our great game.... I wouldn't even bother looking if I were you
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Can you imagine the outrage if this was 50% owed by Arab states.
 
Damocles said:
Because they're white. I don't know why the incredible racism and xenophobia over Arab owners is not acknowledged more. It really IS this simple. Occam's razor.
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Because it’s shaped, driven and legitimised by the media. Across the entire spectrum - from the Guardian’s “row of grinning beards” to the Telegraph’s toxic hatred of Arabs in general and Abu Dhabi in particular. The BBC join in or at best turn a blind eye and Sky (Comcast) is in the pocket of the Cartel US clubs.
I hold the media much more responsible for racism etc than general football fans.
 
Citi-leaks said:
Well, this narrative that a 'red cartel'/'PL cabal' assembled in an under ground bunker, and created FFPR to stop Arab owners, could not be further from the truth. The Glazers, Gillet & Hicks, Kroenke & Lerner did not want anyone snooping around in their financials, especially after saddling those clubs with huge debts from LBO's and asset stripping for their own financial gain. And Arsenal had just spent 1 billion on a new stadium. Abramovic was definitely not in favour of financial regulation, either.

FFPR came from France and Germany. It was not created here. The only reason why it was adopted so wholeheartedly by the PL, was to stop their prized assets from being bought out by American businessmen and hedge funds trying to make a quick buck. They feared that if enough American owners could get a strangle hold over the league, then the possibility of a European Super league would be unstoppable. And it almost did happen. FFPR was the only thing that they could use to put them off. They also tried to get a law passed that LBO's had to be approved by the minister for sport.
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Nothing to do with stopping Americans taking over
 
slbsn said:
The key point is that there is no limitation carve out in the PL rules which, in the absence of that, is English law
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But even English law has exemptions and caveats. The 6 year limit for arbitration only applies to awards / judgments but does not apply to evidence. So evidence gathered or related to a time period beyond the 6 years can still be used if it can be demonstrated as relevant to events within the 6 year limit.

The PL will most likely also be arguing that City hindered their investigations so the PL only became aware of breaches quite some time after they had occurred (and the discovery was within 6 years).

I think it's slightly wishful thinking to believe a time bar will prevail on most of the charges. Furthermore, if that were to be the case it would only cement the belief that we got off on a technicality. In many ways, if the club is innocent we don't want any time bar, we want a categorical declaration of innocence.
Sadly I think the PL have backed themselves into a corner where they need to come out with at least some win (or verdict they can present as a win). That sucks and suggests their primary goal IS to have City punished. Their prime goal should always be to reach the correct decision based on the facts and fair judgment and adapt the rules fairly and transparently in the true interests of the sport, not specific clubs.

I suspect we have been 'creative' in some of our practices, in the same way most clubs are. This is natural behaviour for any business... how to maximise benefits by being creative but within the rules. Sadly, I think some of the rules will be interpreted in ways that make City look bad. The 115+ charges are really multiple instances of certain allegations, but even so, it's hard to imagine where every single interpretation of the rules goes in our favour. The question then will be 'if City breached rule x, due to the interpretation being rules as...' then how many others now fall into breach?

It's one thing to have 115 breaches thrown at us, it's quite another to make some of those breaches stick without it sticking forgotten clubs too.
 
ancoats said:
The Premier League is 100% controlled by United, Why else have they won it the most and Liverpool only once
Even the voting system is controlled by them when wanting a rule change it happens, Also this season the £75 million in allowances for clearing PSR rules,

When you have controlled the league for so long and handed titles and cups and then all of a sudden somebody wants to take it away from you you try anything possible to stop them, They have tried just about everything possible with rule changes and it never stopped us, So the only way is to throw some shit around and try and make it stick,

I am 100% its comes from over the road, it's their sort of thing and they always want to wash somebody's dirty pants in public, United and Fergie did it to Newcastle Liverpool Arsenal and they buckled under the pressure

Do you remember when Fergie said that simple quote ? Never in my lifetime, that is the power he had or thought he had, I still think he thinks we are still little old City, But we were never a little club just a badly run club
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Really??

The Glazers couldn't find their own backsides in an arse kicking competition. They haven't won a title for 12 years, due to their shambolic mismanagement, lack of experience, lack of judgement, weak ownership, non existent leadership and a complete lack of direction.

They rarely ever visited the UK, and appointed company stooges from the Banking industry to run the club. This is an asset stripping exercise, pure and simple.

And you think that these are the same guys that are pulling all the strings???

This is quite frankly laughable and preposterous.
 
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