PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Lost for words said:
I think that just about every other club in the PL could well be on the end of 'one or two' landed punches. Try naming one where honesty, fairness or ethics are high up enough to gain public admiration. It doesn't exist in business, let alone this game, and in a culture where even senior Royals or clergy are not immune from public outing then there is no reason to believe that the other 19 EPL clubs are paragons of virtue either.
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Well if the hearing goes against us let's hope that we have enough shit on other clubs and the PL itself to bring the whole fucking thing down around its ears. If other clubs can get access to our emails, scouting systems and whatever else, I'm sure that we have been doing the same and with the amount of money at our disposal, this could be some really serious and more covert digging around than the dippers and the rest of the cartel could ever imagine. This could end up being more catastrophic damage wise for those who have in for us than what they could do to us themselves. The gloves would certainly be off and we would be up for the fight no doubt.
 
Citi-leaks said:
Really??

The Glazers couldn't find their own backsides in an arse kicking competition. They haven't won a title for 12 years, due to their shambolic mismanagement, lack of experience, lack of judgement, weak ownership, non existent leadership and a complete lack of direction.

They rarely ever visited the UK, and appointed company stooges from the Banking industry to run the club. This is an asset stripping exercise, pure and simple.

And you think that these are the same guys that are pulling all the strings???

This is quite frankly laughable and preposterous.
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Kippax Street 1880 said:
I agree with this. It's in uniteds interest for City to be a strong team, they are our local rivals. We shine a spotlight on eachother. Gill definitely hated us though and threw some spanners in the works for us from his UEFA job.
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Gill was one of very, very few who recognised the threat from Sheikh Mansour and City and set his rag hat at destroying us by any means possible.

Evil in plain sight !!
 
bigA said:
Well if the hearing goes against us let's hope that we have enough shit on other clubs and the PL itself to bring the whole fucking thing down around its ears. If other clubs can get access to our emails, scouting systems and whatever else, I'm sure that we have been doing the same and with the amount of money at our disposal, this could be some really serious and more covert digging around than the dippers and the rest of the cartel could ever imagine. This could end up being more catastrophic damage wise for those who have in for us than what they could do to us themselves. The gloves would certainly be off and we would be up for the fight no doubt.
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I don’t know why we agreed to keep it quiet when the dippers hacked our scouting system.
I guess hindsight is great but wish we exposed them for the thieving cunts they are.
 
ayrshire_blue said:


I don't know if this means anything at all in relation to our case, it might be irrelevant, but just felt it's worth adding as he chaired our hearing which is currently awaiting a verdict.

Edit - it was a five year tenure which is ending in the new year. So nothing out of the ordinary. Still worthy of adding to discussion, perhaps.
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I'm not sure if he actually chaired our hearing himself, he just got to appoint the chair. He could well have chosen himself, but don't think we ever found out definitively?
 
Ric said:
I'm not sure if he actually chaired our hearing himself, he just got to appoint the chair. He could well have chosen himself, but don't think we ever found out definitively?
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Ah sorry, a complete misunderstanding on my part then if that's the case.
 
Citi-leaks said:
Well, this narrative that a 'red cartel'/'PL cabal' assembled in an under ground bunker, and created FFPR to stop Arab owners, could not be further from the truth. The Glazers, Gillet & Hicks, Kroenke & Lerner did not want anyone snooping around in their financials, especially after saddling those clubs with huge debts from LBO's and asset stripping for their own financial gain. And Arsenal had just spent 1 billion on a new stadium. Abramovic was definitely not in favour of financial regulation, either.

FFPR came from France and Germany. It was not created here. The only reason why it was adopted so wholeheartedly by the PL, was to stop their prized assets from being bought out by American businessmen and hedge funds trying to make a quick buck. They feared that if enough American owners could get a strangle hold over the league, then the possibility of a European Super league would be unstoppable. And it almost did happen. FFPR was the only thing that they could use to put them off. They also tried to get a law passed that LBO's had to be approved by the minister for sport.
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Post history indicates a rag pretending to be a City fan.
 
eastmanc said:
What a strange answer.
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You should try it. Maybe on a temporary basis. A change is as good as a rest. Seeing as you're in East Manchester, you're not that far from Leeds. You could support them while they are winning and gain promotion. Then, you can come back to City next year, totally refreshed, when the charges are done with and City have all new players. That will be just in time for when Leeds start getting hammered again, in the Premier League.
 
Citi-leaks said:
Well, this narrative that a 'red cartel'/'PL cabal' assembled in an under ground bunker, and created FFPR to stop Arab owners, could not be further from the truth. The Glazers, Gillet & Hicks, Kroenke & Lerner did not want anyone snooping around in their financials, especially after saddling those clubs with huge debts from LBO's and asset stripping for their own financial gain. And Arsenal had just spent 1 billion on a new stadium. Abramovic was definitely not in favour of financial regulation, either.

FFPR came from France and Germany. It was not created here. The only reason why it was adopted so wholeheartedly by the PL, was to stop their prized assets from being bought out by American businessmen and hedge funds trying to make a quick buck. They feared that if enough American owners could get a strangle hold over the league, then the possibility of a European Super league would be unstoppable. And it almost did happen. FFPR was the only thing that they could use to put them off. They also tried to get a law passed that LBO's had to be approved by the minister for sport.
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What a stupid opening sentence. Of course there’s no underground bunker. It was all done in plain. Who did the PL hawk Scudamore around for approval? They went through the front doors of Old Trafford, Anfield and Emirates for every fucker to see if they cared to look. Nice try.
 
bigA said:
Well if the hearing goes against us let's hope that we have enough shit on other clubs and the PL itself to bring the whole fucking thing down around its ears. If other clubs can get access to our emails, scouting systems and whatever else, I'm sure that we have been doing the same and with the amount of money at our disposal, this could be some really serious and more covert digging around than the dippers and the rest of the cartel could ever imagine. This could end up being more catastrophic damage wise for those who have in for us than what they could do to us themselves. The gloves would certainly be off and we would be up for the fight no doubt.
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As Khaldoon said "people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones"......not sure if he was referring to Johnny or not tho :-)
 
ancoats said:
So why do they still generate more money from the Premier League than us, Their games are shown live every week and still the most talked about club on Skysports, The Glazers will not give a fuck about winning the title when they are still earning more than the rest from the league,

It's all about past glories and so-called history that is what they are trying to protect, They don't want Manchester City to end up with a better history and records than them in the next 20 years. Manchester City are building a legacy that going to be 2nd to none
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City have generated more income from the Premier League than United in recent years. See the link below for 22/23.
We had more live matches than them (combined SKY,TNT, Amazon) and alos won a bit more for finishing as Champions

www.premierleague.com

Premier League central payments to clubs 2022/23

www.premierleague.com www.premierleague.com
 
halfcenturyup said:
It means anything older than six years from February 2023 is time limited unless fraud or concealment are involved. So it's good.
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I’ve always believed that another material point Which May be highly relevant is that there are statutory requirements on retention of records like tax. I’ve worked for many businesses who have diligently removed records each year at trigger points. Some of the earliest charges will require production of evidence which simply and quite legitimately may no longer exist.
 
Nightmare Walking said:
You should try it. Maybe on a temporary basis. A change is as good as a rest. Seeing as you're in East Manchester, you're not that far from Leeds. You could support them while they are winning and gain promotion. Then, you can come back to City next year, totally refreshed, when the charges are done with and City have all new players. That will be just in time for when Leeds start getting hammered again, in the Premier League.
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I started as a Liverpool fan, then a United fan, then Chelsea & then City since about 2010
 
toffee balls said:
They have 25% share in city too.
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Which often gets overlooked. Not all American owners of football clubs follow the same business model. Randy Lerner put a fair chunk of his own money into Villa - before it all went pear-shaped - in order to try and get them top 4 initially and then build on that. The American/Canadian owners of Wrexham have also invested a lot of money to try and get them up the divisions. These examples are markedly different from the strategy of the American owners of United, Liverpool, and Arsenal, although it has to be said that there’s been a lot of loosening of the purse strings at Arsenal in recent seasons.
 
danielwood5 said:
AC Milan were also heavily involved in changing the rules from focusing on debt to what we've got now. Platini mentioned it on the interview with Martin Samuels, Platini said Berlusconi came to him and said something along the lines of he'd already put enough money in to AC Milan to make them succesful and that he didn't want to put any more in but if more people invested in other clubs the way he had with AC Milan this would create more competition for them and he'd have to continue to invest.
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I remember that interview. Pretty sure Inter’s owner said something similar too
 
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