PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

slbsn said:
It won’t save City if they committed a 10 year fraud. But it May time bar Fordham for example
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Despite all of the sensationalism in the media,.are we still in the same position that unless they can prove we have committed mass fraud along with some of our sponsors, then there is very little (relatively speaking) we can be punished with?
 
paulchapo said:
Fuck them. If it's not cheats it's state owned, unlimited spending, oil money or some other shit, usually spouted by a redshirt moron on the other side of the world who's never set foot in a football stadium in this country in their miserable life. I hope we get all our players fit, sign four top quality additions in January, go on an incredible run and win another treble. That would be as funny as fuck and kill them all off once and for all. Winning the charges case would be the icing on the cake.
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My favourite is ‘biggest squad in the league with at least 2 world class players in every position’…….
 
City will be innocent on everything they can prove, that they are innocent of, and they will be guilty of everything they can not prove innocence. That is the way all PL panels work, so it will be interesting seeing the ruling, but it is only the start of City charges, that will almost certainly end in a court of law.
 
salfordbluetrue said:
City will be innocent on everything they can prove, that they are innocent of, and they will be guilty of everything they can not prove innocence. That is the way all PL panels work, so it will be interesting seeing the ruling, but it is only the start of City charges, that will almost certainly end in a court of law.
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How is the start of City charges, surely the end
How will end in a court of law?
 
salfordbluetrue said:
City will be innocent on everything they can prove, that they are innocent of, and they will be guilty of everything they can not prove innocence. That is the way all PL panels work, so it will be interesting seeing the ruling, but it is only the start of City charges, that will almost certainly end in a court of law.
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I think you will find they the panel have to prove things all be it at a lower level than court it’s not down to city to prove innocence
 
Here's an example of how this shit impinges on normal life. I'm in a walking football club in the Midlands. Supporters of West Ham, villa, Southampton, wolves, Coventry and, of course, united, liverpool, spurs and arse.

A few weeks ago a liverpool supporter posted some shit about us cheating. I ignored it until the pile-on started when I just said "please fuck off with this shit". Well, of course, the scouser was all offended and I got a load of shit for being over sensitive. Anyway, it blows over.

Last night was the Christmas curry. I'm minding my own business talking football, price of replica shirts, admission, the future of football all perfectly amicable. Then an Arsenal fan chimes in, "I'm really enjoying watching City crash and burn". Now what do you say to that ?

As it's the season of goodwill, I was very polite and pointed out that I'd seen us win four in a row, win a treble, score a record number of goals and win a record number of points, seen Aguero, Silva, De Bruyne and Rodri at their peak, I can die happy. He then came out with a comment about cheating at which point I told him to fuck right off and it very nearly came to blows. It cast a cloud over the whole evening.

I should point out that not once did that bloke ever engage me in conversation to say something about the quality of football we were playing in our pomp, nor any word of praise. They are emboldened to think their opinion matters by the relentless negative press coverage.
 
Newman Noggs said:
Here's an example of how this shit impinges on normal life. I'm in a walking football club in the Midlands. Supporters of West Ham, villa, Southampton, wolves, Coventry and, of course, united, liverpool, spurs and arse.

A few weeks ago a liverpool supporter posted some shit about us cheating. I ignored it until the pile-on started when I just said "please fuck off with this shit". Well, of course, the scouser was all offended and I got a load of shit for being over sensitive. Anyway, it blows over.

Last night was the Christmas curry. I'm minding my own business talking football, price of replica shirts, admission, the future of football all perfectly amicable. Then an Arsenal fan chimes in, "I'm really enjoying watching City crash and burn". Now what do you say to that ?

As it's the season of goodwill, I was very polite and pointed out that I'd seen us win four in a row, win a treble, score a record number of goals and win a record number of points, seen Aguero, Silva, De Bruyne and Rodri at their peak, I can die happy. He then came out with a comment about cheating at which point I told him to fuck right off and it very nearly came to blows. It cast a cloud over the whole evening.

I should point out that not once did that bloke ever engage me in conversation to say something about the quality of football we were playing in our pomp, nor any word of praise. They are emboldened to think their opinion matters by the relentless negative press coverage.
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I live in Stoke and I've heard this constantly too. The belief is just that we'll get a slap on the wrist or they'll pay off the panel. Or they're already dividing up trophies between Arsenal, Utd and Liverpool.

There's no universe in which we actually won our trophies on the pitch or that we could be innocent.
 
Newman Noggs said:
Here's an example of how this shit impinges on normal life. I'm in a walking football club in the Midlands. Supporters of West Ham, villa, Southampton, wolves, Coventry and, of course, united, liverpool, spurs and arse.

A few weeks ago a liverpool supporter posted some shit about us cheating. I ignored it until the pile-on started when I just said "please fuck off with this shit". Well, of course, the scouser was all offended and I got a load of shit for being over sensitive. Anyway, it blows over.

Last night was the Christmas curry. I'm minding my own business talking football, price of replica shirts, admission, the future of football all perfectly amicable. Then an Arsenal fan chimes in, "I'm really enjoying watching City crash and burn". Now what do you say to that ?

As it's the season of goodwill, I was very polite and pointed out that I'd seen us win four in a row, win a treble, score a record number of goals and win a record number of points, seen Aguero, Silva, De Bruyne and Rodri at their peak, I can die happy. He then came out with a comment about cheating at which point I told him to fuck right off and it very nearly came to blows. It cast a cloud over the whole evening.

I should point out that not once did that bloke ever engage me in conversation to say something about the quality of football we were playing in our pomp, nor any word of praise. They are emboldened to think their opinion matters by the relentless negative press coverage.
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Wouldn't you do the same? It's (media triggered) banter. Ignore it, tell them to stop crying about it.
 
Moss Side's Finest said:
Despite all of the sensationalism in the media,.are we still in the same position that unless they can prove we have committed mass fraud along with some of our sponsors, then there is very little (relatively speaking) we can be punished with?
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pretty much. The only caveat is the player renumeration stuff, I've no idea what the details about this are. If it's Fordham then we'll be fine, if it's something else then we could be knackered. the rest of it will be time barred, not in the written rules at the time or already proved innocent through a proper court in CAS. It also leaves the non co-operation stuff which is obviously thrown to find us guilty of something. I very much doubt the IC will go against CAS for the sponsorship stuff as it will open up a load of legal problems plus its a very strong argument for City to say this element has already been tried in a court and proved to be legit. We could even call the CAS judges in to explain their reasoning to the IC. It's just all very unlikely stuff. It wouldn't surprise me if this bit took the least amount of time in the IC.
 
WRicko said:
What’s your point
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That while City have put a huge amount of pressure on the panel to only accept proof, much like they did with CAS, the panel is not bound to follow the burden of proof, but a court of Law does.
So what reason does the cartel have to end this now, when it can get another 5 years of defamation in, it is not as though they are going to pay for it, as they will spread the cost right down to school football.
 
slbsn said:
It’s a civil case and balance of probabilities.

You can read more here. https://stefanborson.substack.com/p/conspiracy-theories-and-innuendo

There are many practice notes if you are really interested https://www.edwincoe.com/civil-fraud-claims-misjudging-the-scales/

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The sub stack is an excellent read and clearly lays out the difficulties in proving these allegations.
One question does spring to mind though. Assuming there’s no ‘smoking gun’ for want of a better phrase, why would the PL lawyers have allowed it to go this far and, presumably, should the PL fail whilst blowing an enormous amount of cash, they will be looking for new representation?
 
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