Former Academy Kids

[give it to gordon]

I'm confused as to why we seem to have a fair few ex academy kids doing well at other clubs.
We don't seem to be willing to give them a chance here

 

[VOOMER]

There our cash cow.

 

[skillman]

Pep has his favourites and Txiki does what Pep wants.

 

[Jesus2020]

I'm confused as to why we seem to have a fair few ex academy kids doing well at other clubs.
We don't seem to be willing to give them a chance here

Years ago I worked in sales and we'd have someone on the team not scoring so they'd go on another team, sometimes one the manager didn't need or expect to do so well and in that team they'd be scoring more than others on their team. The confidence that came from that usually helped them continue this form. Sometimes they'd feel like top man on that team and eventually start team leading which again brought more confidence.

Sometimes they just didn't fit the team they were on such as the style of the team leader, or the areas they went to, or they didn't get along with others in the team or didn't fit in. Or they'd not perform due to lack of confidence constantly comparing themselves to others doing better than them. When others were doing well people could 'Neg out', meaning others success made your own failures much more intense, again affecting performance.

Lots more reasons but I'd say in football it's the same. Sometimes you need a change of scenery or a fresh start, different environment, manager, team mates, a good run of form etc etc

 

[blue44]

I'm confused as to why we seem to have a fair few ex academy kids doing well at other clubs.
We don't seem to be willing to give them a chance here

Its made a lot of money in the last 10 - 12 years ?
but who has come through
Foden, and Rico,but Rico is not pushing on as most would like for whatever reason.

 

[01cravend]

Foden and Rico are only ones to make it to regular first teamers since Micah Richards and Daniel Sturridge.

Has to be the worst path to first team academy in football.

 

[Blue and still suffering]

Youth cup final team of 2020 included Harwood-Bellis, Doyle, Delap, Palmer, McAtee and Rogers with Bobb amongst the subs. All six would have been better than some of today's starting eleven!

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Our record with young players is terrible and it doesn’t matter how talented they are, they aren’t given a chance.

What’s even more daft is the players we are selling are better than the players we are signing. For example we bought Doku instead of giving palmer a chance on the wing. Players like harwood bellis and delap would get into our current team and probably improve us

I’ve given up with watching the academy games, knowing they’re only there to make us money

 

[svennis pennis]

I'm confused as to why we seem to have a fair few ex academy kids doing well at other clubs.
We don't seem to be willing to give them a chance here

It’s a proper hindsite issue but I think we need to seriously review it when Viana arrives. No way we should be diving into the market without assessing the academy and it does feel that’s not been the case from the outside looking at just how many players have left and gone on to success elsewhere. Imagine if our squad was complimented with even half of:

Frimpong
Palmer
Lavia
Rogers
Harwood-Bellis
Delap
Garcia
Couto
Sancho (pinch of salt)

We really should be using the loan system far better in the future than we have been to blood players in the league before deciding to cash in.

 

[give it to gordon]

It’s a proper hindsite issue but I think we need to seriously review it when Viana arrives. No way we should be diving into the market without assessing the academy and it does feel that’s not been the case from the outside looking at just how many players have left and gone on to success elsewhere. Imagine if our squad was complimented with even half of:

Frimpong
Palmer
Lavia
Rogers
Harwood-Bellis
Delap
Garcia
Couto
Sancho (pinch of salt)

We really should be using the loan system far better in the future than we have been to blood players in the league before deciding to cash in.

We were told that Pep wanted Mcatee to stay. Why ? Has he done something wrong as Pep perfers a knackered players over 30 !.

I can see Mcatee wanting out in January, he is seeing his old mates play well up and down the country.

 

[ID70]

We may as well only name 4 or 5 on the bench as he there is zero chance of any of the younger players being given a chance

 

[mikeyboy]

It's a difficult one when the team is doing so badly. Would be good ideally to give a kid a go to inject something new in the team positively. But is it fair to do that to someone inexperienced which could absolutely destroy a kid making his debut when morale is so low.
I don't think we did the kid at centre half any favours recently by playing him tbh for instance.

 

[Stelea]

There our cash cow.

To spend on gash

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

It's a difficult one when the team is doing so badly. Would be good ideally to give a kid a go to inject something new in the team positively. But is it fair to do that to someone inexperienced which could absolutely destroy a kid making his debut when morale is so low.
I don't think we did the kid at centre half any favours recently by playing him tbh for instance.

It’s just another excuse though. We don’t play them when we’re playing well either.

Usually a young players get a chance when someone’s out injured or out of form.

 

[chris85mcfc]

There our cash cow.

Thats how i see it, the academy us just a way of cashing in on decent prospects.

The ones that aren't particularly great are kept as they can pad the squad out without kicking off.

We've made a lot of money out of the academy, and haven't done too badly on the pitch since seeing the back of those now performing in the Premier League.

I actually don't think the strategy of the academy is to have them make the first team.

 

[Buckshaw Blue]

We were told that Pep wanted Mcatee to stay. Why ? Has he done something wrong as Pep perfers a knackered players over 30 !.

I can see Mcatee wanting out in January, he is seeing his old mates play well up and down the country.

I’d be pushing for a loan move back to Sheff Utd in January if I was him. Regular game time and they are pushing for automatic promotion. No brainer

 

[urban genie]

unfortunately imagine if we had played them and dropped down the league a few years ago people here would be moaning about us not buyingg players and playing too many kids

however, palmer, harwood-bellis and lavia should have all been anticipated replacements for aging positions (kev/berny, stones/akanji) and players not good enough to be back up (phillips) Delap should never have been sold once Alvarez was fishing for a move.

Bobb is unfortunate and lewis has been flogged to death and overloaded with positions that he doesn't k ow where to play at times.

 

[Scaring Europe to Death]

We seem to have perfected the art of selling youngsters who aren't as good as where we want to be but far superior to where we end up.

 

[JRockBlues]

I think that one of the biggest problems in transitioning kids from the academy to the first team have been the loan deals that we've been finding for players. We're sending them to clubs that don't play the same way as we do or are just not good enough. Can't remember the last player we sent out who came back anywhere near ready to challenge for a starting spot. With Pep's comments at the start of the season I was hopeful that McAtee would've been the one to break this trend but he's played 1 minute of Premier League football since.

 

[Blue Feather]

Only really seen glimpses but I like the look of Oboavwodou. Mcaidoo and Mukasa look very talented but probably too soon for them. Looks like McAtee isn't going to get a crack nor Wilson-Esbrand so O'Reilly and Wright may get an opportunity to take their chance. Other than local kids, I wonder if the young players we attract from elsewhere are not expecting their career to be with us and sign more for the schooling and reputation with the long-term view of making their name elsewhere