If the rot continues what happens ?

Ohrodneyrodney said:
I’ve had a drink mate, but I think you may have overdone it. But how I hope you’re right!!
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Me and you both. I’ve gone from optimism before the game to despair after 30 seconds. Acceptance after about 40 minutes and just proper fuckedoffness by 90. I’m now a bit pissed and somehow seeing positives that aren’t there.
 
kaz7 said:
I have sat down, had four crumpets with butter and a think. I think some mild panic is ok but slagging off pep and the players is way over the top

Injuries kicked in all at the same time a few games after rodders , wholesale and some serious ones , most notable kev . We had to keep using the same group of older p!ayers and gundy who was never expected to play every game when he came back , we have done him no favours really

The last four years in particular but in truth nine years have been high paced and mega intensive , every record broken, title after title , last four years have drained them, most just cant press anymore , it is not that they dont want to do it

The young kids are not the answer , do i really need to explain why. And do we still have to drone on about fucking palmer , he fits the chavs but didnt fit us

As in life , this too will pass , if you want to support us then do but if you dont just fuck off and stop prattling on !
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Ok ..generally well argued post, mate, but we have every right to debate this current crisis and you may have a different analysis from others but don't try and merely shut down discussion by calling other analyses 'prattling on' ffs
 
I trust Pep to find a solution.

He won’t hide.

The players may not be able to do what is needed but they should still fight for the club. Unfortunately I didn’t see that much today. Some yes but a few look to have checked out.

No matter how much we suffer, the boss needs to prevail here. Otherwise what are we? Another club that’s sacks managers, waiting for the next one to lift the players and then get thrown under the bus.

As I said, I trust the man in charge. Just keep us in the league badly and we go again next season.
 
It's a disastrous run.

As in virtually all disasters it's not x1 big issue but a combination of multiple smaller issues resulting in a failure
that noone expected at the time.

Continued success with a tight small squad, results in an ageing squad, as it negatively impacts change.

Younger talented players can leave as continued success negates their opportunities eg Palmer & Others

Proven younger top quality players can leave as they can become top targets for other clubs eg Alvarez.

Continued success blinds club to sourcing younger proven world class, as they don't need them now.....

Early season warnings... Gundog/Silva/Walker poor. KDB benched injured. Foden missing in action too

But results OK, so no alarm bells yet.....

Then Rodri out for season, then more injuries. Older players frailties more exposed. Lose midfield control.

Defence exposed. Offense weakened. Individual errors increase. Confidence falls individually & as aTeam.

Team has not been there before and neither has Manager so not a surprise that they are finding it difficult.


Management Team will find a way to improve confidence with injection of new signings, maybe EDS input

or revised tactical approach. If they don't improve results or prefer to walk, then they'll simply be replaced.

We are a business. Khaldoon demands results and success.
 
It was always very difficult to win away against Villa with the players we have available and we will have a few more struggles yet before we come out of the other side. Many posters have rightly said that some players are either not good enough physically or mentally need to move on so we have what we have at the moment.

Sometimes it is just not possible to turn things around in the short term without abandoning core principals and this is such a time. Only last season the football and style we played won the league and it hasn't just got "found out", it's the players that cannot execute Pep ball.

So what next, well we have to tough this one out like we have many time in our past history, however this time we are looking at months rather than years before we are a very good team again. Good players will arrive next month and they will be eager to win things and do well, the ones not so interested one way or another will be free to go another path in the summer.

Do not panic, ignore the delight of other fans and keep calm
 
chiswick blue said:
It was always very difficult to win away against Villa with the players we have available and we will have a few more struggles yet before we come out of the other side. Many posters have rightly said that some players are either not good enough physically or mentally need to move on so we have what we have at the moment.

Sometimes it is just not possible to turn things around in the short term without abandoning core principals and this is such a time. Only last season the football and style we played won the league and it hasn't just got "found out", it's the players that cannot execute Pep ball.

So what next, well we have to tough this one out like we have many time in our past history, however this time we are looking at months rather than years before we are a very good team again. Zero players will arrive next month with txiki still beong here and they will be eager to win things and do well, the ones not so interested one way or another will be free to go another path in the summer.
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gingerprince said:
It's a disastrous run.

As in virtually all disasters it's not x1 big issue but a combination of multiple smaller issues resulting in a failure
that noone expected at the time.

Continued success with a tight small squad, results in an ageing squad, as it negatively impacts change.

Younger talented players can leave as continued success negates their opportunities eg Palmer & Others

Proven younger top quality players can leave as they can become top targets for other clubs eg Alvarez.

Continued success blinds club to sourcing younger proven world class, as they don't need them now.....

Early season warnings... Gundog/Silva/Walker poor. KDB benched injured. Foden missing in action too

But results OK, so no alarm bells yet.....

Then Rodri out for season, then more injuries. Older players frailties more exposed. Lose midfield control.

Defence exposed. Offense weakened. Individual errors increase. Confidence falls individually & as aTeam.

Team has not been there before and neither has Manager so not a surprise that they are finding it difficult.


Management Team will find a way to improve confidence with injection of new signings, maybe EDS input

or revised tactical approach. If they don't improve results or prefer to walk, then they'll simply be replaced.

We are a business. Khaldoon demands results and success.
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Interesting analysis. Inclined to agree especially last paragraph.
 
Juventus, rags, Villa.
3 games, 3 losses since the 11th of December.

not one of these sides showed anything else than what was expected. they exactly brought that type of game we could have expected for each game. there were zero tactical surprises for us. also not like these clubs were in their greatest form.

we also had a full week to prepare for Villa game. did anyone see anything we prepared for? we didnt even prepare for things we could have expected to happen.

Pep can fool no one with talking about injuries. injuries aint the reason everyone is in shit or mediocre form. we look tired since October. rivals playing just as many games, actually much more due to extra Carabao schedule. Arsenal, Liverpool have 4 more games by end of January than us due to Carabao, 5 more if they get to the final.
is Doku,Savinho, Grelish, Bernardo allergic to setup a goal or score one themselves because we have 5-6 players injured? apart from Rodri everyone else injured would be just as shit form as the rest if they were fit. Bobb went levels above his real level since he is injured but I am not sure he would not got the McAtee treatment if he were fit. would Pep really play him ahead of expensive Nunes, new shiny player Savinho or Doku, Grealish, Bernardo? onnce in a while maybe, but dead certain not in consecutive games.
 
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