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Posted 10 days ago:

My fear is that Pep honestly believes it is a simple matter of getting his injured players back, his half-fit players fit, and getting back to where we were at the start of the season after Christmas. If so, he is deluded.

Sadly, I don’t believe it is just age, pace, size and nagging injuries that have doomed this season, I believe it is THE LACK OF ANY TACTICAL PROGRESS AND THE REPETITION OF ONCE REVOLUTIONARY, BUT NOW MERELY STALE, IDEAS coming from the coaching staff.

We lack dynamism.
We lack speed.
We lack strength.
We lack size in the middle of the park.
We lack a second goal scorer.
We lack a safe pair of hands.
We lack an on field leader.
We lack any Plan B when Plan A hadn’t worked for 75 minutes…although I actually think Pep thinks a few subs and shuffling half the team into a different position IS a Plan B!

-/-/-/-

I wish it was wrong, but same things happening, over and again, and yet no change…with Pep STILL saying he just needs his players back!

NEWSFLASH: Those players no longer exist!

One wonders where the next GOAL is coming from, let alone victory. The players look gutted, are playing without confidence, and things are just not running for us.

Going to be an interesting 6 weeks!!!

So didn't this apply last season then, with the clinching of the historic 4th title in a row.

The players haven't thrown the towel in nearly half as much as many of the posters on this thread.
 
Today's game did show that we are a much better team with the ball (1st half) than without it (2nd half) so I don't think a radical overhaul of tactics is the answer at all.

I also think Stones going off upset the balance of the team as 1st half Gvardiol was able to get forward and support Grealish where the space was but that then was totally thrown 2nd half with the required reshuffle.

I think with all the injuries and players then playing when not fully fit, that the players aren't currently able to press properly and that's the main issue and not players downing tools.

The whole squad is built to play possession based football so the idea of either ditching tactics that have worked for 8 years because of a difficult 2 months or that a different manager would get more out of players who are mentally/physically exhausted is utter nonsense imo.
 
One of our attacks in the first half around 30 mins, Foden was just outside the D and had only one defender in his path into the box, he delayed, looked around, retreated and played a simple ball side ways to Gundo or Kova. In that moment I had a flashback to Foden as a kid, as a teenager running directly at defenders, committing them and frequently leaving them for dead, ie openening up the opponents defence and generally causing mayhem. Every ounce of direct, risk based forward running has been coached out of him in order to maintain possession at all costs. When Grealish or Doku or Savinho are in attacking positions around the box we never seem to have an overload anymore because the full backs must be banned from overloading as we're so shit scared of transitions. These are just two straightforward tactical tweeks that could work. Just simple changes but may stop the ponderdous, predictable sideways backwards sideways etc. If we lose to Everton and Leicester he may walk. The parallels with Wegner's demise are astounding, literally everyone but the man himself can see what's wrong. He is our greatest ever coach, but nothing lasts forever, he knows that more than anyone. Injuries, schedules, 115, poor transfers etc have not helped him but this run has now become unacceptable.
 
One of our attacks in the first half around 30 mins, Foden was just outside the D and had only one defender in his path into the box, he delayed, looked around, retreated and played a simple ball side ways to Gundo or Kova. In that moment I had a flashback to Foden as a kid, as a teenager running directly at defenders, committing them and frequently leaving them for dead, ie openening up the opponents defence and generally causing mayhem. Every ounce of direct, risk based forward running has been coached out of him in order to maintain possession at all costs. When Grealish or Doku or Savinho are in attacking positions around the box we never seem to have an overload anymore because the full backs must be banned from overloading as we're so shit scared of transitions. These are just two straightforward tactical tweeks that could work. Just simple changes but may stop the ponderdous, predictable sideways backwards sideways etc. If we lose to Everton and Leicester he may walk. The parallels with Wegner's demise are astounding, literally everyone but the man himself can see what's wrong. He is our greatest ever coach, but nothing lasts forever, he knows that more than anyone. Injuries, schedules, 115, poor transfers etc have not helped him but this run has now become unacceptable.
He can also be our weakness too sometimes..

Don't get me started on dropping Rodders for the final..

He's a genius.
A mad genius.

But he's human.

I also want to know what the fuck his no2 is doing to earn his corn.

He needs someone stronger next to him to tell him..
 
One of our attacks in the first half around 30 mins, Foden was just outside the D and had only one defender in his path into the box, he delayed, looked around, retreated and played a simple ball side ways to Gundo or Kova. In that moment I had a flashback to Foden as a kid, as a teenager running directly at defenders, committing them and frequently leaving them for dead, ie openening up the opponents defence and generally causing mayhem. Every ounce of direct, risk based forward running has been coached out of him in order to maintain possession at all costs. When Grealish or Doku or Savinho are in attacking positions around the box we never seem to have an overload anymore because the full backs must be banned from overloading as we're so shit scared of transitions. These are just two straightforward tactical tweeks that could work. Just simple changes but may stop the ponderdous, predictable sideways backwards sideways etc. If we lose to Everton and Leicester he may walk. The parallels with Wegner's demise are astounding, literally everyone but the man himself can see what's wrong. He is our greatest ever coach, but nothing lasts forever, he knows that more than anyone. Injuries, schedules, 115, poor transfers etc have not helped him but this run has now become unacceptable.
I think that was the attack that led to their goal
 
Palmer scored 22 goals and got 11 assists in the PL in a team that finished 6th. He looked like a top premier league player the minute he signed for Chelsea, because that's what he already was when Pep let him go. I don't especially think it's the reason we're so shit at the moment (though I would much rather have Palmer than the inferior Doku or Savio) but I don't get this blind refusal to accept it was a big fat mistake to sell him.
With hindsight I agree it probably was a mistake but even now I’m certain that peak Palmer doesn’t get in our first 11 in front of peak Foden and I don’t think they can play in the same team. That said £40m at the time for an unproven lad who was barely making the bench was a snap your hand off type deal.

Yeah he’s defo better than Doku and Sav both of whom are nowhere near top class but Palmer wouldn’t work as a wide man in our system
 
I don’t get this anti Rico stuff tbh , not as talented as his peers , he never stops running for this club , wipe your fannies and point the finger at other players - who to be frank are doing fuck all week in week out , I’ll not name them , but any blue with half a fucking brain should be able to work it out. Lay off the lad , at least he has energy, the bare minimum for our team - and Pep can see it.
I actually think there’s a player in there but when you persistently let your man go and they score you deserve to be scrutinised
 
the benefit of hindsight but if Pep had actually taken some medicine, played some kids at the back in those games against spurs and liverpool we might have had a fully fit backline by a month ago, be able to rotate properly and we’d be miles up the table.
Yep. Stones another victim of being rushed back today as is Dias, ake before him, and akanji
 
Safely back home from Villa Park after taking a scenic route.

We are a soft touch basically. Nobody dared go near Morgan Rodgers all day, and we keep conceding the same goal straight down the middle and our throats every week. Villa didn't really have to do much to win today, they just coasted and it was relatively easy for them.

Our Support was class as always but Pep can't keep asking knackered, old, unfit or talent deficit players to play his system as they simply can't do it.

We need at least 2 Midfielders immediately - one of whom has to be a Hold - and both need to be mobile, physical and be able to actually put in a tackle once in a while.

Walker is a car crash these days and just shouldn't be on the pitch until he's sorted his chaotic private life out, which has to be having an effect as his drop off is so stark. Gundo gets old manned at least 3 times in every game now & it's sad to see. Meanwhile John Stones "45 mins every 6 weeks" routine is a waste of everyone's time. He's been a gem for us and played his best ever game for us in the European Cup final, but the time may have come for him to depart with his contract up in 2026, at his age and with his injury record.

We don't currently have a single player playing well. Not a single one.

Post of the night mate. Echoes what I posted earlier, but much more eloquently delivered.
 
I don’t get this anti Rico stuff tbh , not as talented as his peers , he never stops running for this club , wipe your fannies and point the finger at other players - who to be frank are doing fuck all week in week out , I’ll not name them , but any blue with half a fucking brain should be able to work it out. Lay off the lad , at least he has energy, the bare minimum for our team - and Pep can see it.
A lovely footballer and clearly talented but this poor run has exposed his real lack of pace and physicality big time.
 
Be it Gundo Walker Bernardo or Stones, they have been part of my life for so many years and have led us to unprecedented success and Ijust hate coming here every single week and rant about how useless they have become. Every defeat hurts and it hurts further more your fav players becoming eye sores.

The board and Pep are more culpable for still depending on them after so many years because they are paid millions per month to forsee what us mortals can’t.

I am okay for even finishing 7th for one season if in this January and summer transfer window we can respectfully bid goodbye to all of them and restart the new era at City with new players.
 
I find it so daft that fans are arguing against the need for Pep to change things & be pragmatic with his strategy, selection & tactics based on the players available. I don't think that Pep needs to go or to change his principles indefinitely, but to think he should persist as is, with the same players unable to play as he wants is absurd. He should adapt & change how we play, change the personnel, to make us harder to beat, UNTIL HE GETS THE PLAYERS AVAILABLE TO EFFECTIVELY PLAY HOW HE WANTS. Whether that be through injury recovery or the transfer windows, it doesn't matter - the current, available, squad aren't able to play how he wants and get results, so he should change how we play.
 
some players play like they are asking the club to take them behind the barn and be shot. Bernardo imo need a new club, new country, new impulses, different coach imo if he wants to enjoy playing again. sad to see him going through the motion since months now without a good game. Walker another one.

its strange as we managed to move out Aguero, Silva, Kompany when they would have had 1/2 more seasons if Pep really wanted. now we hang onto older players into 33-34 yo, and we want them to be starters or their ego doesnt let them not be starters.
 
Feel like we’ve hit a point where the players are just letting things drift away now. You can tell by the lack of energy and desire in matches.

A lot of them know it’s gonna be their last season so there’s no interest in turning things around.
 
Safely back home from Villa Park after taking a scenic route.

We are a soft touch basically. Nobody dared go near Morgan Rodgers all day, and we keep conceding the same goal straight down the middle and our throats every week. Villa didn't really have to do much to win today, they just coasted and it was relatively easy for them.

Our Support was class as always but Pep can't keep asking knackered, old, unfit or talent deficit players to play his system as they simply can't do it.

We need at least 2 Midfielders immediately - one of whom has to be a Hold - and both need to be mobile, physical and be able to actually put in a tackle once in a while.

Walker is a car crash these days and just shouldn't be on the pitch until he's sorted his chaotic private life out, which has to be having an effect as his drop off is so stark. Gundo gets old manned at least 3 times in every game now & it's sad to see. Meanwhile John Stones "45 mins every 6 weeks" routine is a waste of everyone's time. He's been a gem for us and played his best ever game for us in the European Cup final, but the time may have come for him to depart with his contract up in 2026, at his age and with his injury record.

We don't currently have a single player playing well. Not a single one.
We wont be signing anyone im afraid
 

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