North Stand Construction Discussion

[Cookieproof]

Cynic.

Does anyone else on here live in the UAE ?

Not now but used to live there in 2023 to 2024.

 

[jrb]

Off topic, but hotel related.

Stock Exchange Hotel and Hotel Football both part owned by Gary Neville made loses totalling millions.

It will be very interesting to see what price point the Etihad stadium hotel will be pitched at, and what star rating it will be.

Hotel owned by Manchester United legends records huge losses

The Stock Exchange hotel, just off Market Street, opened in 2019

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

 

[JGL07]

I have the documents somewhere and will try to dig them out. I had a project at work involving this area.

The former development agency New East Manchester was responsible for remediating and decontaminating the whole Etihad Campus area including other areas such as New Islington and Holt Town.

New East Manchester lost its funding after the change of Government in 2010 and was absorbed into the City Council a year later.

Heavily contaminated sites like Clayton Analine - a former chemical works - depend on public funds for remediation before the private sector will be prepared to develop the area.

There was also the former Bradford Colliery site where the main stadium is cited. This also required public funding for capping the mine shafts and decontaminating the area that was done before the Commonwealth Games.

I have now located the documentation from the City Council from around 2010 when approval was given for the training complex.

The funding of the remediation of the Clayton Analine site was provided by the Northwest Regional Development Agency and the Homes and Community Agency plus, it was hoped, the European Regional Development Fund. This was all pre-BREXIT.

 

[krisblue]

Off topic, but hotel related.

Stock Exchange Hotel and Hotel Football both part owned by Gary Neville made loses totalling millions.

It will be very interesting to see what price point the Etihad stadium hotel will be pitched at, and what star rating it will be.

Hotel owned by Manchester United legends records huge losses

The Stock Exchange hotel, just off Market Street, opened in 2019

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

Planning docs say that it is going to be pitched squarely at the leisure hotel market. I'd expect it to be in a similar range to the Malmaison and the Clayton, 4****, £150-200 a night territory.

 

[richards30]

Off topic, but hotel related.

Stock Exchange Hotel and Hotel Football both part owned by Gary Neville made loses totalling millions.

It will be very interesting to see what price point the Etihad stadium hotel will be pitched at, and what star rating it will be.

Hotel owned by Manchester United legends records huge losses

The Stock Exchange hotel, just off Market Street, opened in 2019

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

Neville is bank rolled by Peter Lim, Gary knows fuck all about business but I guess is fairly persuasive as he gets someone else to spend their money on his projects

 

[spiny]

Planning docs say that it is going to be pitched squarely at the leisure hotel market. I'd expect it to be in a similar range to the Malmaison and the Clayton, 4****, £150-200 a night territory.

The hotel is a pioneering concept in the UK so it will be interesting to see how it works out. I can see a significant number of rooms being sold to groups as well as part of a package to include tickets for the Etihad or Co-op Live. These room rates usually fall well below rack rates, depending on market segmention and demand.

 

[Coatigan]

The hotel is a pioneering concept in the UK so it will be interesting to see how it works out. I can see a significant number of rooms being sold to groups as well as part of a package to include tickets for the Etihad or Co-op Live. These room rates usually fall well below rack rates, depending on market segmention and demand.

In what way is it a pioneering concept?

Planning docs say that it is going to be pitched squarely at the leisure hotel market. I'd expect it to be in a similar range to the Malmaison and the Clayton, 4****, £150-200 a night territory.

Over 80% of it will be a 'budget' hotel. Going by the room size, mix and ratio of public space. Not that budget really means cheap these days it can still be a good 150 a night. The rest is higher end with larger rooms, suites and penthouses. So if a brand does take it on, it will be pne that can have a degree of flexibility. There are only a handful that have that type of model.

 

[krisblue]

In what way is it a pioneering concept?



Over 80% of it will be a 'budget' hotel. Going by the room size, mix and ratio of public space. Not that budget really means cheap these days it can still be a good 150 a night. The rest is higher end with larger rooms, suites and penthouses. So if a brand does take it on, it will be pne that can have a degree of flexibility. There are only a handful that have that type of model.

Malmaison and Clayton being one of them to be fair — has rooms from £150 a night to suites for £250-300ish. It's why I expect it to be that definition of budget rather than the ibis definition of budget.

I would also expect package deals with tickets and Coop live and partnerships with Visit Manchester etc as City are keen on those

 

[Asa's left peg]

The hotel is a pioneering concept in the UK so it will be interesting to see how it works out. I can see a significant number of rooms being sold to groups as well as part of a package to include tickets for the Etihad or Co-op Live. These room rates usually fall well below rack rates, depending on market segmention and demand.

It seemed like (from afar, admittedly) that the exec boxes at the coop live were sold quite easily and that said companies (not many) could complete their offering to entertaining clients with stays at a decent level hotel,
Just a thought.

 

[spiny]

In what way is it a pioneering concept?

Pioneering in the way the hotel is integrated into the North Stand development. For example, I am unaware of any other that offers direct access to the ground through a separate hotel VIP entrance with its own access road giving convenience and security to exclusive, self contained viewing and hospitality areas with dedicated facilities.

 

[Gone for a Burton]

I'd be very interested in seeing any materials that show an expanded Ethiad or even a new facility. I would think expanded West and East stands would mean the end of the spirals unless they were incorporated inside the new structure

Plans and CGIs do exist of expanded E & W stands/ 4th tiers/corners creating a true bowel.

The spirals are incorporated in to the structure.

This,and a new build stadium remain 'futuristic' but have been through various iterations,feasability and viability studies.

A new build is the most likely option.

 

[Gone for a Burton]

Neville is bank rolled by Peter Lim, Gary knows fuck all about business but I guess is fairly persuasive as he gets someone else to spend their money on his projects

He knows fuck all about football management and many other things.

He spends Lims money on Lims projects.

The little gobshite's own hotel has blown almost £1.4 million in 24 months,despite having a captive market of morons, tripehounds, guttersnipes & ignoramus's as its core punters.

The description ' He who tries to be an expert in everything becomes an expert in nothing ' is true of that little turd !!

 

[Bournemouth Blue]

He knows fuck all about football management and many other things.

He spends Lims money on Lims projects.

The little gobshite's own hotel has blown almost £1.4 million in 24 months,despite having a captive market of morons, tripehounds, guttersnipes & ignoramus's as its core punters.

The description ' He who tries to be an expert in everything becomes an expert in nothing ' is true of that little turd !!

He also doesn’t have a magnificent football club and the biggest entertainment arena in the UK next door, he is also an arsehole. I really hope Pep can motivate the players to thrash his team next week. City’s owners will have hired the best consultants to make sure the hotel, fan zone and new museum/club shop etc, will be a money spinner in the medium to long term, never mind the additional capacity and extras like the sky walk

 

[Oldtraffordblue1]

He knows fuck all about football management and many other things.

He spends Lims money on Lims projects.

The little gobshite's own hotel has blown almost £1.4 million in 24 months,despite having a captive market of morons, tripehounds, guttersnipes & ignoramus's as its core punters.

The description ' He who tries to be an expert in everything becomes an expert in nothing ' is true of that little turd !!

I suspect Jim will ask him (who will ask Lim) at some point to sell the hotel to United as part of the big redevelopment (probably next decade) as can’t have it not owned by the world’s biggest club (in only their eyes)

 

[HelloCity]

 

[HelloCity]

 

[jrb]

 

[Alty_Blue]

Plans and CGIs do exist of expanded E & W stands/ 4th tiers/corners creating a true bowel.

The spirals are incorporated in to the structure.

This,and a new build stadium remain 'futuristic' but have been through various iterations,feasability and viability studies.

A new build is the most likely option.

A new build may well be the most likely option but when? I imagine ADUG will want to see some return on the £300M investment in the north stand expansion before demolishing the entire stadium to build a new one.

 

[Coatigan]

Pioneering in the way the hotel is integrated into the North Stand development. For example, I am unaware of any other that offers direct access to the ground through a separate hotel VIP entrance with its own access road giving convenience and security to exclusive, self contained viewing and hospitality areas with dedicated facilities.

I see.

There are a few. A couple have been posted on here before.

 

[Coatigan]

Malmaison and Clayton being one of them to be fair — has rooms from £150 a night to suites for £250-300ish. It's why I expect it to be that definition of budget rather than the ibis definition of budget.

I would also expect package deals with tickets and Coop live and partnerships with Visit Manchester etc as City are keen on those

Yeah budget in the sense of the offering, rather than the price. They are budget level rooms, or 80% of them are.