Elon Musk

BlueHammer85 said:
We've had 14 years of Tories; Labour have come in and completely changed certain policies and going in a totally different direction to them - so they're not the same at all.

What makes you think Reform can do any better ? they're led by a guy who instigated Brexit which has been nothing but a disaster and there only policy is to 'stop the boats' even then without a clear answer to how they will do this - Plus the fact they attract the racist and thickest in society.
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I don't think that it's because Reform will actually do anything good because we all know that they won't. However, such a result will give the two utterly useless mainstream parties the kicking that they deserve which is what people really want. The main parties literally treat us with nothing other than contempt.

Of course in the meantime people are going to turn to extremes but that's because mainstream politics is not providing the answers to any questions that people feel need answering.
 
inbetween said:
I don't think that it's because Reform will actually do anything good because we all know that they won't. However, such a result will give the two utterly useless mainstream parties the kicking that they deserve which is what people really want. The main parties literally treat us with nothing other than contempt.

Of course in the meantime people are going to turn to extremes but that's because mainstream politics is not providing the answers to any questions that people feel need answering.
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Can I ask what those questions are? Is it immigration, economy, social contract, I’d really like to know these concerns.
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
I think this might actually help Farage in the long-run. Musk has no idea how unpopular him and Trump are here. Most polls show Farage is twice as popular as they are. As much as I hate Farage, he understands what works in the UK, and Musk and Trump's bombastic king of the world nonsense goes down like a cup of cold sick in our politics.
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I think it will as well.

Like Bannon in his first adminstration Trump will fuck Elon off very early into his presidency giving Führage and his ego justification which he will use for his own gain.
 
TinFoilHat said:
I think it will as well.

Like Bannon in his first adminstration Trump will fuck Elon off very early into his presidency giving Führage and his ego justification which he will use for his own gain.
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Would love to see it, Right wing eating itself into the ground.
 
This country is between a rock and a hard place.

There are no simple, magic solutions and I wish people would understand that. If it was easy either the Tories would have sorted it, or Labour would be well on the way to sorting it.

Appointing some clueless, populist grifter as PM will not solve these issues, but make them a darned sight worse.

We had a foretaste of this with Brexit. It was a Magic Solution. We were supposed to become Camelot after we left the EU. It didn't work, it made things worse.

We are like Bury FC. We want to be in the Premier League, but the only way forward is years, maybe decades, of patient rebuilding. Making Wayne Rooney the manager will not suffice.
 
tweety said:
the same two political parties who have run the country into the ground over decades.
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There is only one political party that has run the country into the ground over the last 15 years.

The game plan of the right wing parties here and in the US is make everything shit. And then use the fact its shit to stop doing it and reduce government spending. Then reduce the tax on the wealthy. This is alongside the broad policy of facilitating tax dodging for the mega wealthy so wile tax rates for ordinary people are as high as they have every been, anyone with the means to use tax havens and off shore their income can pay virtually no tax.

The implications of this are us povos (anyone in a household earning less than 100k a year) will lose state pensions, free education and health care. It's already happening.

Reform are just a more extreme version of the tories so you would get more of the above. Of course they don't talk about the above, they highlight immigration and woke issues which are a miniscule issue in the lives of most people.
 
BrianW said:
This country is between a rock and a hard place.

There are no simple, magic solutions and I wish people would understand that. If it was easy either the Tories would have sorted it, or Labour would be well on the way to sorting it.

Appointing some clueless, populist grifter as PM will not solve these issues, but make them a darned sight worse.

We had a foretaste of this with Brexit. It was a Magic Solution. We were supposed to become Camelot after we left the EU. It didn't work, it made things worse.

We are like Bury FC. We want to be in the Premier League, but the only way forward is years, maybe decades, of patient rebuilding. Making Wayne Rooney the manager will not suffice.
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Brian, you might aswell leave the UK, you think we are truly fucked as a country with no hope. But where would you go?
 
tweety said:
tweety said:
Wow, Starmer and the rest of his free loading cabinet aren't!
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Ostriches with their heads in the sand springs to mind, let's just carry on with the same two political parties who have run the country into the ground over decades.
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Tell me how he plans to reform Britain ? I’d like to hear the plans, how does he intend to stop the boats eg: Leaving the EU has left us wide open as the EU waves people through who plan the journey to the UK. Once we left the EU Germany has no power to stop them. Cooper has already signed an agreement with the EU
In a matter of months the labour party have done more to redress the balance.

From GOV.UK
The UK and Germany have agreed new action to tackle organised immigration crime, which will make it clear that activities in Germany which facilitate migrant smuggling towards the UK constitute a criminal offence.

The deal was signed in London by the Home Secretary Yvette Cooper and German Federal Minister of the Interior and Community Nancy Faeser on 9 December. Securing our borders is a foundation of the government’s plan for change and this is the latest step to restore order to the asylum system and deliver on working people’s priorities.
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Gareth Barry Conlon said:
There is only one political party that has run the country into the ground over the last 15 years.

The game plan of the right wing parties here and in the US is make everything shit. And then use the fact its shit to stop doing it and reduce government spending. Then reduce the tax on the wealthy. This is alongside the broad policy of facilitating tax dodging for the mega wealthy so wile tax rates for ordinary people are as high as they have every been, anyone with the means to use tax havens and off shore their income can pay virtually no tax.

The implications of this are us povos (anyone in a household earning less than 100k a year) will lose state pensions, free education and health care. It's already happening.

Reform are just a more extreme version of the tories so you would get more of the above. Of course they don't talk about the above, they highlight immigration and woke issues which are a miniscule issue in the lives of most people.
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The thing you miss is economically the US did very well under Trump. That's why he got elected again. Most US voters just ignore his twitter rants.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Brian, you might aswell leave the UK, you think we are truly fucked as a country with no hope. But where would you go?
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You keep saying this to him, but he’s highlighting how hard it is for any government to make discernible change without radically changing the thinking.

Limit immigration and inflation spikes out of control.
Allow the necessary level of immigration to fund the economy and infrastructure crumbles.

There are no short term fixes. We either pour a fortune into education to significantly increase British doctors/builders etc or into building houses and transport infrastructure.

Either will take far more than one or two parliaments.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
You keep saying this to him, but he’s highlighting how hard it is for any government to make discernible change without radically changing the thinking.

Limit immigration and inflation spikes out of control.
Allow the necessary level of immigration to fund the economy and infrastructure crumbles.

There are no short term fixes. We either pour a fortune into education to significantly increase British doctors/builders etc or into building houses and transport infrastructure.

Either will take far more than one or two parliaments.
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I don't keep saying this to him. I have said why don't you leave once. Previously I pointed out that things are nowhere near as bad as Brian makes out. He never came back to me. I know you like to police the forum but you need to get your facts right before doing so.
 
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