PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Prophet of Doom]

Magic Hat seems to think all the Jan tfrs and the Haaland and Pep deals are all just Abu Dhabi PR. Contradicting himself with almost every other post.

He also ignores the investment of Silver Lake - and how a serious investor like Silver Lake would allow the club to burn through hundreds of millions simply for PR when a verdict is due in a few weeks.

Really hope the club take some action against him if only to flush him out into the open to realise his identity.

Quite amazed it hasn’t come out already ( I’m pretty sure it’s not Harris )

 

[its grim up north]

I know it's late on in proceedings but 115 charges. I can't imagine why so many. If the PL have evidence of breaches of the rules, OK take issue with these. But so many add ons. It's like the Public Prosecution Service proceeding on a charge of murder and adding on a charge of driving away from the scene in a vehicle with 4 bald tyres

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Ah, I thought the original conviction was diminished responsibility but that got overturned after review.
Your explanation makes more sense.
I’m slightly reticent to read anything into our current transfer/ stadium developments as hubris has a very painful way of smacking you right on the kisser.

True fact btw: Harry Redknapp trial - one of original jurors was named Peter Crouch.

And Pat Jennings, for reasons I’ve never had fully explained was at the early part of Sutcliffe’s trial. Maybe he wanted his gloves back?!?

Just found this on Wiki (fwiw)

Sutcliffe pleaded guilty to seven charges of attempted murder. The prosecution intended to accept his plea after four psychiatrists diagnosed him with paranoid schizophrenia, but the trial judge, Justice Sir Leslie Boreham, demanded an unusually detailed explanation of the prosecution's reasoning. After a two-hour representation by the Attorney-General, Sir Michael Havers, a ninety-minute lunch break and another forty minutes of legal discussion, Justice Boreham rejected the diminished responsibility plea and the expert testimoniesof the psychiatrists, insisting that the case should be dealt with by a jury. The trial proper was set to commence on 5 May 1981.

Looks like the application to amend the indictment was before the trial started, not halfway through, but still considerably after the indictment will have been preferred.

Actually spoke to someone once who attended the trial in the public gallery- he was a solicitor’s clerk in London at the time. He said he’d never seen such darkness in a human being as he saw in Sutcliffe that day. He also said that all the murder weapons were laid out on the table in the middle of court 1 at the Bailey throughout the trial - talk about prejudicial!

 

[Bluewonder]

Magic Hat seems to think all the Jan tfrs and the Haaland and Pep deals are all just Abu Dhabi PR. Contradicting himself with almost every other post.

He also ignores the investment of Silver Lake - and how a serious investor like Silver Lake would allow the club to burn through hundreds of millions simply for PR when a verdict is due in a few weeks.

Really hope the club take some action against him if only to flush him out into the open to realise his identity.

Quite amazed it hasn’t come out already ( I’m pretty sure it’s not Harris )

He isn't a serious person.

Just ignore him.

 

[johnnytapia]

Just found this on Wiki (fwiw)


Looks like the application to amend the indictment was before the trial started, not halfway through, but still considerably after the indictment will have been preferred.

Actually spoke to someone once who attended the trial in the public gallery- he was a solicitor’s clerk in London at the time. He said he’d never seen such darkness in a human being as he saw in Sutcliffe that day. He also said that all the murder weapons were laid out on the table in the middle of court 1 at the Bailey throughout the trial - talk about prejudicial!

Yes, remember reading about the weaponry in:

 

[KS55]

If City 'win' this case, are they entitled to recover all their legal costs, and from whom? It's going to be a big invoice

The panel will determine allocation of costs. The PL will look to the clubs to pay up if the PL surplus doesn’t cover it.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

Magic Hat seems to think all the Jan tfrs and the Haaland and Pep deals are all just Abu Dhabi PR. Contradicting himself with almost every other post.

He also ignores the investment of Silver Lake - and how a serious investor like Silver Lake would allow the club to burn through hundreds of millions simply for PR when a verdict is due in a few weeks.

Really hope the club take some action against him if only to flush him out into the open to realise his identity.

Quite amazed it hasn’t come out already ( I’m pretty sure it’s not Harris )

You don’t become good at business and making money like Mansour and Khaldoon have by pissing money away. Breaking ground on a hotel and new stand, handing out extensions to Pep, making a never been seen before 9 and a half year contract to Haaland and then looking to outlay £100 million upwards in the January transfer window. That’s potentially over half a billion pounds worth of outlay to apparently save face for a couple of months before the PL throw the book at City. They don’t want to believe what is staring them in the face which is the confidence of the clubs senior team that the club has not done what it has been accused of.

They’ve spent two years imagining up dooms day scenarios for what might happen in the media and across social media pages. It’s been fantastic for them money wise as they generate clicks and revenue praying on Liverpool and United supporters so down in the dumps that their team isn’t top dog anymore. This glimmer of hope that City will be thrown into the national league and all our trophies given away is what has sustained them since February 2023. It’s coming to end soon, City ain’t going away and the gravy train of ‘what about City’ and ‘it’s obvious they are guilty’ is coming grinding to a halt.

 

[give it to gordon]

And we'll win the FA Cup in that first season, followed by Europa league, then we'll clinch the CL just after getting promotion from league 1. Special indeed!

First conference League team to win the fa Cup with 50,000 fans at each home game. That record would never be beaten lol

 

[KS55]

He was iirc. I’m pretty sure the prosecution wanted to accept a plea to manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility half way through the trial but because the indictment has already been preferred, the prosecutor (Sir Michael Havers, Nigel’s dad) had to apply to amend the indictment but the Judge refused the application - and so it proceeded as a murder trial and ended on conviction, obviously.

And in any event that’s a criminal trial, I was talking in the context of a judicial tribunal of fact.

Although it’s worth repeating I was once told ‘beware of the nodding juror’, which underlines the point to be careful not to read too much into things!

The murder charge owed a lot to public sentiment, I feel. Sutcliffe’s mental state was difficult to assess. About 6 weeks after incarceration he was sent to a secure hospital but returned to prison some years later iirc.
He drank in my then local where I saw him many times. Nodded but never spoken to.

 

[eastmanc]

Just listened to the dick that is Ian Ladyman, and I paraphrase. " If City win this case, there are no rules." What the fuck does that mean? Does he mean that we should be found guilty regardless of the evidence because that is what it sounds like to me.

 

[SWP's back]

There well established is argument that juries shouldn’t sit on really complex fraud trials, although I’m not convinced personally.

I remember reading The Secret Barrister and he lamented the lack of knowledge of most juries and stated that if he were ever falsely accused of something he’d much rather have a case tried by a judge rather than a jury as so often they’re either disinterested or prejudiced from the off, but that’s the full extent of my knowledge.

 

[BlueRockape]

First conference League team to win the fa Cup with 50,000 fans at each home game. That record would never be beaten lol

I would rather the rags have that record;)

 

[give it to gordon]

I would rather the rags have that record;)

Better change it to 50 fans than ;)

 

[SWP's back]

The recent Cum-Ex a case in point.

Pervert.

 

[langy]

If there's not supposed to be a decision until March, how can anyone at the club already know the outcome though?
Are they just confident or do they get given the verdict months before anyone else?

Our lawyers have briefed our owners

 

[Prophet of Doom]

He isn't a serious person.

Just ignore him.

Don’t pay too much attention to be honest - but he must be of interest to City. He had posted thousands of comments in the last few months - so much so that he must be either unhinged or getting paid by somebody for his posts.

He has made many accusations of criminality at City that have defo crept in legal territory so hope he will unveiled in due course before he disappears.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

Just listened to the dick that is Ian Ladyman, and I paraphrase. " If City win this case, there are no rules." What the fuck does that mean? Does he mean that we should be found guilty regardless of the evidence because that is what it sounds like to me.

They conveniently forget the Premier League ram an illegal rule book for a good 12 or so months. What else in that rule book is illegal which the clubs haven’t challenged?

There are no rules when United can make loss after loss every year and Chelsea can sell hotels to themselves. They gloss over those facts.

 

[eastmanc]

Really embarrassing article in the Guardian on online regarding Haaland deal basically what happens if City get relegated to the Championship league1 League 2 or National League. As far as I understand it the premier league don't have this sort of power even if the find us guilty which we're not, I'm sure they can deduct points ensuring relegation to Championship and no more. The way our club gets treated by the media's a fucking disgrace and the history clubs fan boys suck it in like a dry sponge.

The Guardian is generally an excellent paper they just hate City , always have. The place is rag infested, better not reading their sports section.

 

[eastmanc]

They conveniently forget the Premier League ram an illegal rule book for a good 12 or so months. What else in that rule book is illegal which the clubs haven’t challenged?

There are no rules when United can make loss after loss every year and Chelsea can sell hotels to themselves. They gloss over those facts.

Exactly this.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Just listened to the dick that is Ian Ladyman, and I paraphrase. " If City win this case, there are no rules." What the fuck does that mean? Does he mean that we should be found guilty regardless of the evidence because that is what it sounds like to me.

That’s exactly what it sounds like!