Southport attacker pleads guilty to murdering three girls | Sentenced to 52 years in prison

I'd be astonished if it's not a whole life term

It won't be.


He is due to be sentenced on Thursday and is expected to be given a life sentence.

However, he cannot be sentenced to a whole-life term for his crimes because he is under the age of 21.

Slight correction to the above as wording is slightly inaccurate.

He could have been sentenced to a whole life order following a change to the law, see below, if he was aged 18 at the time of the attack. He was aged 17 though.

He'll almost certainly spend the rest of his life in a secure hospital.


 
By that logic we should do away with classifying some crimes as terrorist then. The fact is we do use that classification and this was a terrorist crime.
That's not what I'm saying at all mate. Of course we should have that classification but you've said yourself that you don't think he was driven by any particular ideology. What's now emerging about him regarding a long history of violence suggests that he was possibly wired up in such a way that he was going to do something horrendous even if there was no terrorism involved. I think we can all agree that he's a fucking wrong 'un either way.
 
It won't be.




Slight correction to the above as wording is slightly inaccurate.

He could have been sentenced to a whole life order following a change to the law, see below, if he was aged 18 at the time of the attack. He was aged 17 though.

He'll almost certainly spend the rest of his life in a secure hospital.


Thanks. Yeah, even though they can't impose a full life tariff, I doubt he's getting out anyway.
 
That's not what I'm saying at all mate. Of course we should have that classification but you've said yourself that you don't think he was driven by any particular ideology. What's now emerging about him regarding a long history of violence suggests that he was possibly wired up in such a way that he was going to do something horrendous even if there was no terrorism involved. I think we can all agree that he's a fucking wrong 'un either way.
I've often said this to my Mrs when we hear about these awful attacks. I don't see why we have a terrorism classification the awful result is the same, but we do and he has been charged and admitted terrorist offences.

I said it doesn't matter whether he was born here or was an immigrant, that is irrelevant imo.
 
It won't be.




Slight correction to the above as wording is slightly inaccurate.

He could have been sentenced to a whole life order following a change to the law, see below, if he was aged 18 at the time of the attack. He was aged 17 though.

He'll almost certainly spend the rest of his life in a secure hospital.


If he ever sees the light of day again it will be an injustice. Some people are beyond rehabilitation.
 
I think this matters to people because the police were saying its misinformation that he was a terrorist and going after people who said so online....
Once they had evidence they charged him with a terrorist offence which he's now pleaded guilty to.

What was said online was that he was an immigrant, which is untrue.

What was gone after something a bit different - various other incitements to commit criminal acts, which is against the law.
 
he chose his victims to give maximum publicity to his cause.

The point is not whether or not you believe this, or even whether or not it is true.

There was little or no evidence to prove this, so there was no charge made. The law requires motive to be shown for the specific offence. Ask for a change in the law by law means, but it seems to have been correctly applied AFAICT.
 
I can bring the rope for this lad, if you’ve run out over there?

I’m generally not a believer in the death penalty, as in America it has historically had a rather racist tinge to it.

However, in cut and dried cases, where behavior is such that a person should never be allowed into society EVER again, then I feel it’s warranted.

Mass murder is a no brainer.
 
I've often said this to my Mrs when we hear about these awful attacks. I don't see why we have a terrorism classification the awful result is the same, but we do and he has been charged and admitted terrorist offences.

I said it doesn't matter whether he was born here or was an immigrant, that is irrelevant imo.
Totally agree. Terrorism doesn’t magnify or diminish what he’s done IMO. But yes, we need the classification to remain. It’s important to establish the motive for any crime and if terrorism is established that then requires further investigation to find out if the perpetrator was working alone or part of a wider group amongst other things.
 
I can bring the rope for this lad, if you’ve run out over there?

I’m generally not a believer in the death penalty, as in America it has historically had a rather racist tinge to it.

However, in cut and dried cases, where behavior is such that a person should never be allowed into society EVER again, then I feel it’s warranted.

Mass murder is a no brainer.
I think you speak for the vast silent majority
 
I've often said this to my Mrs when we hear about these awful attacks. I don't see why we have a terrorism classification the awful result is the same, but we do and he has been charged and admitted terrorist offences.

I said it doesn't matter whether he was born here or was an immigrant, that is irrelevant imo.
The terrorism classification is needed as it allows different rules to be applied to length of detention etc which can help an ongoing investigation - vital if you are dealing with a group of the fuckers.
 
I've often said this to my Mrs when we hear about these awful attacks. I don't see why we have a terrorism classification the awful result is the same, but we do and he has been charged and admitted terrorist offences.

I said it doesn't matter whether he was born here or was an immigrant, that is irrelevant imo.
Everybody is looking for an answer, a reason. His parents were immigrants, and history has shown that children tend to follow their family culture. And before I am jumped on, I am not saying they are to blame, it just offers an explanation as to the environment that some, but not all immigrants are raised in can lead to radicalism as they feel they are not part of Western Society.
 

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