Southport attacker pleads guilty to murdering three girls | Sentenced to 52 years in prison

halfmist said:
Everybody is looking for an answer, a reason. His parents were immigrants, and history has shown that children tend to follow their family culture. And before I am jumped on, I am not saying they are to blame, it just offers an explanation as to the environment that some, but not all immigrants are raised in can lead to radicalism as they feel they are not part of Western Society.
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His parents were Christians so I doubt they'd have been pushing Al Qaeda stuff his way. Plus I think we'd know by now if that was a possibility. Any radicalisation likely happened via social media, the internet, etc. If he's been searching for stuff and downloading it on his computer then it's likely a solo mission. And we don't know yet if those manuals he downloaded were necessarily the inspiration for the murders. We know he downloaded them and we know he committed the murders but whether the two things are linked is... not yet known? Unless I've not read something.
 
youngbob said:
His parents were Christians so I doubt they'd have been pushing Al Qaeda stuff his way. Plus I think we'd know by now if that was a possibility. Any radicalisation likely happened via social media, the internet, etc. If he's been searching for stuff and downloading it on his computer then it's likely a solo mission. And we don't know yet if those manuals he downloaded were necessarily the inspiration for the murders. We know he downloaded them and we know he committed the murders but whether the two things are linked is... not yet known? Unless I've not read something.
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I never said his parents radicalised him. In fact I specifically said I am not saying they are to blame.
 
Apparently his parents stopped him a week earlier going back to his school.
Stopped him from doing what ?
If to commit similar crimes then surely authorities were made aware of these intentions.
 
DTKOAG said:
Apparently his parents stopped him a week earlier going back to his school.
Stopped him from doing what ?
If to commit similar crimes then surely authorities were made aware of these intentions.
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Not sure the wheels of inter agency action turn that quickly - even if they did know.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
You seem to have a trouble with reading what is actually written.

Terrorism related legislation and offences cover stuff that might not always be Terrorism.

The police have said it isn't terror related. Presumbly because they cant at this stage establish a link with a terrorist group or idealogy as the motivation behind the attack.

Unless you work in a lab and its part of your job, there is no lawful reason why anyone should produce or possess ricin.

But if someone is producing it out of morbid curiosity or they want it to poison their neighbour and isn't politically motivated, then it isn't strictly terrorism.

The same applies to downloading materials that can be used to make bombs.

Terrorism link or lack of doesn’t make what the disturbed man did any more or less evil.

It was a monstrous attack and my utmost sympathy is with all the families and survivors.
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The ISIS Playbook in their own words is that these people don’t need to be connected to any Group to carry out attacks on us Kaffirs -in fact they positively encourage it -and this Guy fits the profile to a tee -so the Police bound as they are these days can say what they like but I know what I think
 
Got a little girl who’s 7. Can’t imagine the hurt and pain the parents of those kids have gone through.

All for this sick fuck to still be breathing. Put a bullet in its head and get rid of the vermin.

I presume it won’t be long before somebody gets their hands on it in prison. Hope it’s a slow, torturous time behind bars.
 
M18CTID said:
But then you claimed you never said you know why he did it! Fucking hell - you’ve completely and utterly contradicted yourself in 2 posts. We’ve got the receipts and no amount of words can disguise that fact. Now do yourself a favour and go and have a fucking lie down.

And yes, he’s pleaded guilty to terrorist offences but he hasn’t given terrorism as a reason for the actual murders and they’ve not been able to prove that that was the motive for what he did. That might change in due course.
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You can’t debate with people who think everything is corrupt and covered up.

They’re the ones with their eyes open. Everyone else is naïve.

All the reporting of this is now suggesting this lunatic admired Hitler, Gengis Khan, the IRA and had Al-Qaeda material too.

He seems to have fallen through the watch list net as he had no affiliation with any of them specifically.

Social services should have been more involved too, in hindsight.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
You can’t debate with people who think everything is corrupt and covered up.

They’re the ones with their eyes open. Everyone else is naïve.

All the reporting of this is now suggesting this lunatic admired Hitler, Gengis Khan, the IRA and had Al-Qaeda material too.

He seems to have fallen through the watch list net as he had no affiliation with any of the specifically.

Social services should have been more involved too, in hindsight.
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Yep, questions certainly need to be asked about how he slipped through the net and his history of violence points to him being a very dangerous individual, regardless of whether he’s a terrorist or not. As such, what can’t be disputed is that he’s a wrong ‘un and people arguing about the motive isn’t springing to his defence!

I also think that there is no chance that there has been a cover-up over the motive. That would be totally counter-productive. The authorities have never been afraid to disclose terrorist acts as terrorism in the past so why start now?
 
M18CTID said:
Yep, questions certainly need to be asked about how he slipped through the net and his history of violence points to him being a very dangerous individual, regardless of whether he’s a terrorist or not. As such, what can’t be disputed is that he’s a wrong ‘un and people arguing about the motive isn’t springing to his defence!

I also think that there is no chance that there has been a cover-up over the motive. That would be totally counter-productive. The authorities have never been afraid to disclose terrorist acts as terrorism in the past so why start now?
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Yeah, agreed. It’s just the modern age where people demand information asap.

As someone posted before, all the terror definition means is the police using a different clock on how long they have to charge a suspect, so if it is suspected, they’d definitely use it as it gives them more time.

It seems people were wanting it to be a terrorist attack to further fuel the ongoing culture war.

We’ll find out more when the judge sums the case up when sentencing.
 
blueinsa said:
Referred 3 fucking times!

news.sky.com

Southport attacker Axel Rudakubana referred to anti-extremism scheme Prevent three times

The 18-year-old ordered a taxi to his former school a week before killing three young girls at a Taylor Swift-themed dance class.
news.sky.com news.sky.com
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Even if had been accepted, Channel is voluntary. He could have refused to take part.

"Anyone referred to the scheme is assessed and if deemed a terrorism risk referred to another programme, Channel, although many referrals don't result in any further police action."
 
I'm all for ID cards, and even for deporting people with no right to be here.
But I'm not sure either would have prevented this horrific crime. The guy's a fruitloop. Whether legally so or not. There are lots of them about, and many were born here. No normal, well-balanced person of any origin would do a thing like this.
 
the truth has came out now with this and how violence he was they was saying on the news he got kicked out of school for taking a knife in then fighting at the other naughty school his dad should of done more aswell and got the police involved when he stopped him going to attack his secondary school day or 2 before finally got normal picture of him instead of the media one that made him look like a innocent school boy hopefully he gets dealt with in prison least he deserves
 
city2 said:
If his dad had turned him in then the atrocities in Southport would not have happened
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Not necessarily-he was a juvenile at the time. He wouldn’t be ‘locked up’ forever.

It’s such a complicated issue-the usual right wing grifters simply want to make it all about the colour of somebody’s skin and blame Starmer for their own gain.

People inevitably fall through the cracks-cracks which have widened during a decade of austerity-

Yvette Cooper is right in calling for an inquiry in an attempt to find out how this all came to happen.
 
city2 said:
If his dad had turned him in then the atrocities in Southport would not have happened
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He was reported to Prevent 3 times before the attack the first time in 2021 but no action was taken - today Reinhart Jenreich is posting about asking why Starmer as DPP didn't act - at that stage Starmer was a sitting MP and was Leader of the Opposition having left as DPP in 2015. Of course the neo-Nazi knows this but is trying to deflect because at that time he was a Cabinet Minister and indeed may have been Minister for Justice when on referral was made. His Dad didn't need to turn him in he was well known to the authorities who did nothing.
 
BrianW said:
I'm all for ID cards, and even for deporting people with no right to be here.
But I'm not sure either would have prevented this horrific crime. The guy's a fruitloop. Whether legally so or not. There are lots of them about, and many were born here. No normal, well-balanced person of any origin would do a thing like this.
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Agreed, he's a nutter, that's the society we live in, it won't change, regardless of skin colour.
 
ancoats said:
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He is a terrorist and fighting in their faith name
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The evidence suggests otherwise. The reports today say they have found he looked up to Hitler, Gengis Khan and the IRA whilst having some Al-Qaeda handbook too.

That doesn’t suggest he was on a jihad, it suggests he was a lunatic that wanted to murder people. Hence it’s not been deemed terrorist murders.

I’m not sure why it’s so important for him to be labelled a terrorist? He’s a psychopathic lunatic that needs locking up forever.
 
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