Southport attacker pleads guilty to murdering three girls | Sentenced to 52 years in prison

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Not to mention he wasn't of strong character at the start.

Agoraphobic, couldn't attend school consistently, probably never had any real friends.

Don’t expect he’ll make many inside either.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

No. You have to be 21 or older for a whole life tariff

It was changed recently to give discretion to the judge to impose a whole life order in exceptional cases, when the convicted is aged 18-21. Not relevant here though as he was 17 at the time of the attack.

 

[Stephen230]

The thing is, and people often don’t appreciate what I’m about to post.

Firstly, if he’s subject to such a sentence he’ll be approaching 60 (at the earliest) if he’s released. He’ll be completely institutionalised, won’t know anyone, he will be completely isolated and won’t be able to function in society, and have no means of supporting or bettering himself. He will be utterly frightened and a complete shell of a man. I’d actually be amazed after all that time if he’d even want to be released.

When someone spends that long inside, especially from such a young age, it completely breaks them.

I think people have this notion of prisoners being released after several decades inside skipping away from the gaol and living a happy life of freedom. They don’t. Most of them absolutely hate it after that long inside.

Their sentence doesn’t end if they get released, and nor should it.

Not confined to those who’ve spent decades inside either.

I once saw a youngish lad ( late 20s probably) throw a cup of boiling water in the face of a complete random stranger, as he was due to be released the following morning and the thought of it must have been so terrifying to him, that it was the only thing he could think of to stop it happening.

 

[Blue and true]

The thing is, and people often don’t appreciate what I’m about to post.

Firstly, if he’s subject to such a sentence he’ll be approaching 60 (at the earliest) if he’s released. He’ll be completely institutionalised, won’t know anyone, he will be completely isolated and won’t be able to function in society, and have no means of supporting or bettering himself. He will be utterly frightened and a complete shell of a man. I’d actually be amazed after all that time if he’d even want to be released.

When someone spends that long inside, especially from such a young age, it completely breaks them.

I think people have this notion of prisoners being released after several decades inside skipping away from the gaol and living a happy life of freedom. They don’t. Most of them absolutely hate it after that long inside.

Their sentence doesn’t end if they get released, and nor should it.

I don't doubt that. Similar to that old dude from Shawshank Redemption who tops himself once released.

Hopefully prison breaks him.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I don't doubt that. Similar to that old dude from Shawshank Redemption who tops himself once released.

Hopefully prison breaks him.

I was told many years ago by a criminal barrister that ten years was the broad rule of thumb except for really hardened, career criminals. Any more than ten consecutive years inside and it invariably broke them.

 

[stonerblue]

Did he terrorise those kids and adults - yes.

By that definition pretty much all murderers are terrorists.

 

[kippax_blueboy]

By that definition pretty much all murderers are terrorists.

I know therefore the current definition of Terrorist is wrong. Guy Fawkes was a Terrorist but was Jack the Ripper?

 

[stonerblue]

I was told many years ago by a criminal barrister that ten years was the broad rule of thumb except for really hardened, career criminals. Any more than ten consecutive years inside and it invariably broke them.

i know a couple of old cons that have made a go of it after release. One did time for murder and then more time for rioting in Strangeways and now runs a gym training young kids.

 

[stonerblue]

I know therefore the current definition of Terrorist is wrong. Guy Fawkes was a Terrorist but was Jack the Ripper?

I know therefore the current definition of Terrorist is wrong. Guy Fawkes was a Terrorist but was Jack the Ripper?

No, your definition of terrorist is wrong.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

i know a couple of old cons that have made a go of it after release. One did time for murder and then more time for rioting in Strangeways and now runs a gym training young kids.

Good for him. And for society more generally.

 

[meltonblue]

i know a couple of old cons that have made a go of it after release. One did time for murder and then more time for rioting in Strangeways and now runs a gym training young kids.

If only that was the norm rather than the exception, good for them.

 

[Scottyboi]

i know a couple of old cons that have made a go of it after release. One did time for murder and then more time for rioting in Strangeways and now runs a gym training young kids.

Alan Lord? Bloody unit him.

 

[LangleyBlue1970]

Play acting and causing issues in the dock. Shouting he needs a paramedic.

No, you ****, you need putting down with a bullet.

 

[smevchenko]

Play acting and causing issues in the dock. Shouting he needs a paramedic.

No, you ****, you need putting down with a bullet.

Was about to post this..... asking for a paramedic, unbelievable. He should be denied any sort of health care for the remainder of his hopefully unbearable life.

 

[maxwellblue]

Play acting and causing issues in the dock. Shouting he needs a paramedic.

No, you ****, you need putting down with a bullet.

Is the only answer

 

[TinFoilHat]

The lad has serious issues. I know he's 18 but he's acting like a 10 year old.

The public inquiry will highlight what we already know that there's not enough resources to protect the public.

 

[bert38]

Play acting and causing issues in the dock. Shouting he needs a paramedic.

No, you ****, you need putting down with a bullet.

very common place-in custody some detainees will play up the entire time; banging their head against the walls, trying to hang themselves, claiming they have chest pains, kicking, banging, throwing shit everywhere, eating their own shit, putting clothing in toilets filled with piss to make a weapon and/or flood the cell...threatening you, spitting at you...i really miss it!

he's clearly a v disturbed invidual-and whilst I appreciate the argument for prisoners to be present during sentencing, its often just not possible without someone getting hurt and also prevents the court from functioning.

 

[meeesh]

He will need more than a paramedic where he's going, more like an undertaker, but even that's too good for him, just needs chucking in some concrete piling construction site, alive

 

[Ohrodneyrodney]

I’m sure they’ve just said on Sky news that the judge will have to “give him credit” for pleading guilty and knock a year or two off his prison term?!?

 

[Blue and true]

Some of the family of the murdered kids are in court today. The level of courage and resilience that takes is off the charts; I couldn't do it myself. They deserve so much praise and love.