North Stand Construction Discussion

Coatigan said:
Very generally speaking, hotels are often easier in concrete than steel. Depending on shape/height/size, but particularly bigger ones. Large floorplate slabs, cores with a high number of lifts. Plus at this height the sizeable columns can be 'stretched' to be thin and long and be embedded in partitions (as indeed they are here) which makes it easier to have uniform rooms and not have to have to deal with boxing out projections and what would be deeper beams above. Makes it easier to run services along corridors than under/through beams. Also a bit better sound with sound in hotels. Steel is in theory cheaper, but something like this probably more of a faff on a hotel this size.

The office block could really probably have been either, but if I were to guess, the fact the big roof to the square bridges the two, more sense in both sides being the same in terms of movement. Plus, at this scale there is a likely benefit to programme and procurement to have multiple teams and builds simultaneously, and not risk over relying of quantities of one material. Just my guess.
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The problem with steel frames is how to fireproof them as, during a fire, steel frames distort and bend in the heat and the building can collapse, See the World Trade Centre for an example of a catastrophic failure.

Back in the day, when I worked in the industry, they would do this by encasing steelwork in concrete. This has cost implications as you needed just as much concrete and three times as much steel as for reinforced concrete. Then, they came up with wizard solutions such as spraying the steel with things like Limpet. This got banned because it was made from asbestos and carried the risk of many of those working on it cancer. I was working on a project in Kendal, where the spraying was cancelled the day before it was due to start to be applied. Other solutions have come up but they will have cost implications

I am not up to date with comparative costs but I assume that the designers know what they are doing as you have outlined above.
 
Coatigan said:
Very generally speaking, hotels are often easier in concrete than steel. Depending on shape/height/size, but particularly bigger ones. Large floorplate slabs, cores with a high number of lifts. Plus at this height the sizeable columns can be 'stretched' to be thin and long and be embedded in partitions (as indeed they are here) which makes it easier to have uniform rooms and not have to have to deal with boxing out projections and what would be deeper beams above. Makes it easier to run services along corridors than under/through beams. Also a bit better sound with sound in hotels. Steel is in theory cheaper, but something like this probably more of a faff on a hotel this size.

The office block could really probably have been either, but if I were to guess, the fact the big roof to the square bridges the two, more sense in both sides being the same in terms of movement. Plus, at this scale there is a likely benefit to programme and procurement to have multiple teams and builds simultaneously, and not risk over relying of quantities of one material. Just my guess.
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The soundproofing definitely a big one - steel notoriously poor for sound insulation and can even act as an amplifier! If I wanted a quiet night I'd definitely want one of the rooms in the main hotel complex and not along the walkway
 
I’m sure this has been mentioned many times but with over 5,000 posts in the thread, I can’t be arsed wading though. So when are they saying this new stand will be ready for use?
 
krisblue said:
The soundproofing definitely a big one - steel notoriously poor for sound insulation and can even act as an amplifier! If I wanted a quiet night I'd definitely want one of the rooms in the main hotel complex and not along the walkway
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When I went to Bilbao I booked a hotel room which was right opposite and overlooking a night club entrance and exit. I didn’t get much sleep that night, espcially when it got to 2am in the morning.

I aways try and book a hotel room as far away from the lift and stairs as possible, and at the end of the corridor.

It will be interesting to see what sound proofing the hotel rooms have, especially the hotel rooms with a balcony overlooking NSL2 and the pitch.
 
Marvin. said:
I believe Nov 25 has been mentioned.
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Ok thanks. So mid season. I wonder they’ll do regarding tickets for the back end of next season then? More a matter for the other new stand thread I know. Just a rhetorical question really anyway.
 
jrb said:
When I went to Bilbao I booked a hotel room which was right opposite and overlooking a night club entrance and exit. I didn’t get much sleep that night, espcially when it got to 2am in the morning.

I aways try and book a hotel room as far away from the lift and stairs as possible, and at the end of the corridor.

It will be interesting to see what sound proofing the hotel rooms have, especially the hotel rooms with a balcony overlooking NSL2 and the pitch.
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Why, empty seats make no noise!

Joking aside, large size glazing and opaque panels, no real 'solid' in sight, should be a pretty high spec. I've said before you'd be more worried for the side facing onto the city square with that roof. Wouldn't mind seeing their report and what measures they have there, and if they have done a whistling analysis on the sails. A few acoustic challenges there. They have already had to amend the whole facade once.
 
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Manchester_lalala said:
That second tier is fucking huge.

Might be only me that feels like this, but the difference between Saturday and West Ham which was a few weeks ago was huge. For some reason, it looked so much bigger. Perhaps that feeling was because of the second tower now being high? Did anyone else think the same on Saturday?
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If we can't get 5000 standing racketeers in there there's summat oop.

Add 5000 more in SSL3 and we've got the initial basis for a good party.
 
Not long ago I went to a gig in central Birmingham. We stayed in a hotel not far from the centre, it was relatively new and comfortable, but the sound of sirens and traffic kept us both awake most of the night. It had double glazing and nicely fitted out, cost a small fortune, but what is the point if they don’t have proper soundproofing? The City hotel seems a bit further away from the Alan Turing Way than we were from the main road in Birmingham, but night time traffic noise is a pain. I hope this has been taken into account, although I doubt I will ever get a chance to stay there.
 
Bournemouth Blue said:
Not long ago I went to a gig in central Birmingham. We stayed in a hotel not far from the centre, it was relatively new and comfortable, but the sound of sirens and traffic kept us both awake most of the night. It had double glazing and nicely fitted out, cost a small fortune, but what is the point if they don’t have proper soundproofing? The City hotel seems a bit further away from the Alan Turing Way than we were from the main road in Birmingham, but night time traffic noise is a pain. I hope this has been taken into account, although I doubt I will ever get a chance to stay there.
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Go on treat yourself.
 
Since Mrs S and I became season ticket holders around 10 years ago, it has been a bit of a dream to drive down from Scotland, park the car at the stadium and stroll a few yards into our hotel, have a drink or two then stroll another few yards into our seats to watch us beat the living daylights out of some poor team and then go to a civilised dinner, all on campus. I will be first in the queue to book the hotel at least once. :-)
If it’s reasonably priced Premier Inn can go fuck themselves.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Since Mrs S and I became season ticket holders around 10 years ago, it has been a bit of a dream to drive down from Scotland, park the car at the stadium and stroll a few yards into our hotel, have a drink or two then stroll another few yards into our seats to watch us beat the living daylights out of some poor team and then go to a civilised dinner, all on campus. I will be first in the queue to book the hotel at least once. :-)
If it’s reasonably priced Premier Inn can go fuck themselves.
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City 3pm kick off
Civilised dinner
Gig at the arena
Drinks after the gig
Back to the hotel

Days don’t get much better than that!
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Since Mrs S and I became season ticket holders around 10 years ago, it has been a bit of a dream to drive down from Scotland, park the car at the stadium and stroll a few yards into our hotel, have a drink or two then stroll another few yards into our seats to watch us beat the living daylights out of some poor team and then go to a civilised dinner, all on campus. I will be first in the queue to book the hotel at least once. :-)
If it’s reasonably priced Premier Inn can go fuck themselves.
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Won’t need to be that reasonable, just looked for April, cheapest Premier Inn £110.
Think thats bad, was looking for Leith Premier Inn 5th April £220.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Since Mrs S and I became season ticket holders around 10 years ago, it has been a bit of a dream to drive down from Scotland, park the car at the stadium and stroll a few yards into our hotel, have a drink or two then stroll another few yards into our seats to watch us beat the living daylights out of some poor team and then go to a civilised dinner, all on campus. I will be first in the queue to book the hotel at least once. :-)
If it’s reasonably priced Premier Inn can go fuck themselves.
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What would you consider reasonably priced, out of interest?
 
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