VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

[Centurions]

You are seeing a totally different foul than I am.
If that had been a City player this thread would have exploded.
Forget Captain Black. He was sent off for Serious Foul Play.
Var basically backing their mate up. Thst is not what Var are meant to do. It's bent.

Edit: plus it's proved my point. No pro Var poster came on first to say, amidst all the controversy, Var was correct to not intervene.

You've confused me now on which side of the fence you stand.

VAR didn't 'back' anyone up, they just said that it wasn't a clear and obvious error.

 

[BlueHammer85]

You've confused me now on which side of the fence you stand.

VAR didn't 'back' anyone up, they just said that it wasn't a clear and obvious error.

He just likes being permanently outraged, he’ll find something else next week.

 

[Blue Mist]

You've confused me now on which side of the fence you stand.

VAR didn't 'back' anyone up, they just said that it wasn't a clear and obvious error.

I'm not sure why you are confused.
The ref made an awful mistake. Everyone bar the apologists on here agree that he did.
Var is there to step in and say he needs to review his red card as in their opinion it is wrong.
They didn't, as usual they did fuck all.
I hate Arteta and Arsenal like most on here but let's be right. If that had been a City player getting a straight red card, BM would have been offline for hours as the system would have exploded.
My original comment though was about the apologists on here. They never post first 'bit of a dodgy call that but...' or anything similar. They wait for someone to highlight a mistake and in they rush, defending it and never once accepting that maybe, just maybe Pigmol were wrong.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I'm not sure why you are confused.
The ref made an awful mistake. Everyone bar the apologists on here agree that he did.
Var is there to step in and say he needs to review his red card as in their opinion it is wrong.
They didn't, as usual they did fuck all.
I hate Arteta and Arsenal like most on here but let's be right. If that had been a City player getting a straight red card, BM would have been offline for hours as the system would have exploded.
My original comment though was about the apologists on here. They never post first 'bit of a dodgy call that but...' or anything similar. They wait for someone to highlight a mistake and in they rush, defending it and never once accepting that maybe, just maybe Pigmol were wrong.

And when do you ever come on here to credit VAR when it has meant a goal well offside didn’t stand ? Or a clear penalty that the ref missed ? Or a red card the ref would have missed ? Etc .

 

[normskih]

It was never a red. The Wolves player who was sent off for 2 bookable offences, his 2nd was worse. Total joke decision.

I disagree Misty. That type of tackle is a dangerous tackle, particularly as the player is running at speed. In the tough world of rugby the trip tackle is illegal. It was a deserved red card.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Irony that he's blowing his fuse that VAR didn't overturn the refs decision which is arguably correct - and he thinks getting rid of VAR is the answer ?!

 

[Centurions]

I'm not sure why you are confused.
The ref made an awful mistake. Everyone bar the apologists on here agree that he did.
Var is there to step in and say he needs to review his red card as in their opinion it is wrong.
They didn't, as usual they did fuck all.
I hate Arteta and Arsenal like most on here but let's be right. If that had been a City player getting a straight red card, BM would have been offline for hours as the system would have exploded.
My original comment though was about the apologists on here. They never post first 'bit of a dodgy call that but...' or anything similar. They wait for someone to highlight a mistake and in they rush, defending it and never once accepting that maybe, just maybe Pigmol were wrong.

I'm confused due to the lack of sense in your posts.

"Everyone bar the apologists on here", I guess you only listen to the voices in your head then because I've seen plenty online and on TV that agree it was a red card.

 

[Coljj]

This issue is the premier league have signed a sponsorship contract with a ball company with inferior technology. Only adidas balls can work how the champions league and world cup works. So basically it comes down to cash that the premier league doesn't want to spend.

AFAIK the sensor in the Adidas ball has only ever been used at WC22 and Euro 2024 due to cost. Maybe they will use it at the World Club Championship and in the Champions League Final.

Serie A uses a PUMA ball...



"The system used by FIFA has a chip in the ball for increased accuracy of the kick-point, which was also be present at Euro 2024. But England, Italy, Spain and the Champions League uses an AI method for the kick point."

The 'AI method' to decide the kick-point might just be how they do it now prior to drawing lines.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I've always thought that footage should be used to review games and apply retrospective sanctions for cheating. I know it's not possible for the matchday officials to spot everything but for example the number of times I've seen Haaland blatantly fouled for corners is ridiculous. The prospect of cheating defenders being banned for the next game or two might focus some minds.

Only this.

 

[halfcenturyup]

AFAIK the sensor in the Adidas ball has only ever been used at WC22 and Euro 2024 due to cost. Maybe they will use it at the World Club Championship and in the Champions League Final.

Serie A uses a PUMA ball...

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"The system used by FIFA has a chip in the ball for increased accuracy of the kick-point, which was also be present at Euro 2024. But England, Italy, Spain and the Champions League uses an AI method for the kick point."

The 'AI method' to decide the kick-point might just be how they do it now prior to drawing lines.

Yes, FIFA has the only technology that uses an inertia sensor in the ball. The rest use camera imaging to determine the kick point using their 50 fps cameras which is basically the same system as they use now manually.

They claim they can interpolate between frames and throw in AI to make it sound infallible but it basically has the same potential for error on marginal situations as the current system, afaik, and so is just as unreliable for these stupid toenail offsides. But it has nice graphics so that's a bonus (as long as anyone can explain how those graphics are created, of course .....).

Happy to be put right anywhere I am wrong on this.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Err… get rid of VAR and we’d of had that decision still stand and vastly more decisions like that back in the game.
You lot cried that VAR is interfering in the game to much - yet when a ref has a clear view and makes a decision you want VAR to intervene- make your mind up.

Also, on this incident others can justify why it was red , you ever think you might just be wrong sometimes ?

You lot? Don't generalise the views of everyone on here from a few posts from a few posters. Rookie mistake that doesn't do your case any good imho.

Edit: for what it's worth, my view on the red card is mehh. Studs first, straight leg, above the ankle. You don't want to mistime a professional foul and risk a red, don't make the fucking foul. Was possibly a red, possibly a bad yellow. Oliver gave red and I can see why. So leave it with him.

Edit 2: as one of "you lot", I am perfectly happy that VAR goes with the referee's decision unless it's a "clear" and "obvious" "mistake" but then I want that to apply to offsides as well. Then all will be good in the hcu VAR world.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Bottom line is I am sure the concept of "offside" is if a player is standing in an offside position when the ball is played. Therefore the simplest way to fix it is draw lines or look at a screen and concentrate on the players feet only. Not the shoulder, the elbow the knee or the nose - are they stood offside determined by foot placement as the ball is played as I honestly believe that is the initial concept fans had of the operation of VAR

 

[Blue Mist]

I see Var was helping out at the Etihad last night.
The ref gave a corner, argued with the opposition and refused to change his mind.
And then he did, saying the linesman on the other side of the pitch had said it was a goal kick yeh right.
I've no problem with Var doing this as it ensures the correct decision........ except they are not meant to and also deny doing it.
It is also a form of cheating. You are either follow the rules or you don't.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

I see Var was helping out at the Etihad last night.
The ref gave a corner, argued with the opposition and refused to change his mind.
And then he did, saying the linesman on the other side of the pitch had said it was a goal kick yeh right.
I've no problem with Var doing this as it ensures the correct decision........ except they are not meant to and also deny doing it.
It is also a form of cheating. You are either follow the rules or you don't.

That's if VAR did intervene. I'm not sure it did but I can't see how a further away lino can see better than the ref and overturn him.

 

[Coljj]

Them going back on the corner was definitely after seeing that replay that TNT ran and a word in the ear from VAR.

In the 2nd half Kovacic had a shot just over that glanced off a defenders back and should have been a corner but we didn't get it.

It's probably an on-the-fly decision they can make at their discretion that also depends on how fast the ball is put back into play because then they won't reverse an original incorrect award.

I'd prefer it if they always checked corner awards for ricochets or slight deflections because it takes 15 seconds and no one is waiting too long to get the right call.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

For me its simple, nearly every call is a judgement. There can't be consistency, no two fouls are the same, handballs, penalties etc. Impossible to put a definable workframe around that.

We're running around in circles defining and redefining rules.
The poison around every decision made.
The mistakes are still there (to a lesser degree obvs)
The game has become more managed stopping the free flowing brilliant game we have.
We don't actually know what constitues a penalty, free kick, red card, yellow, handball.....

None of this things existed before VAR.

Let the ref make the decisions, the judgement calls, leave it at that, accept their mistakes, make VAR less intrusive. Because I fear this is an Americanisation of our game, adding technology, adding drama, adding fluff, making the game a tv event instead of spectator event.

VAR has its uses, the best one for me is refs being held to account by a backup team of refs. But even that doesn't work, all the VAR team in the arsenal game agreed with that red card decision..... 7 people or whatever and it still couldn't get it right.

Take VAR away and we're left with just the ref mistakes (that we will always have clearly) and none of the bullshit VAR has brought to the game. It'll never happen though, refs used to make wrong calls and were lambasted for it, now they get death threats and family having to be protected.

 

[Blue Mist]

That's if VAR did intervene. I'm not sure it did but I can't see how a further away lino can see better than the ref and overturn him.

Ok, let's assume Var didn't intervene.
That shows a totally incompetent referee. He was far closer than his linesman who would have said immediately 'your wrong its a goal kick'. He didnt because the decision took ages, perhaps they were having a discussion!!!! Yeh right.

My point is that there is no honesty with Var. They supposedly can't interfere regarding bookings and yet they can re corners.
Perhaps they only interfere when it suits them, as I said, that's cheating.

 

[richardtheref]

Bottom line is I am sure the concept of "offside" is if a player is standing in an offside position when the ball is played. Therefore the simplest way to fix it is draw lines or look at a screen and concentrate on the players feet only. Not the shoulder, the elbow the knee or the nose - are they stood offside determined by foot placement as the ball is played as I honestly believe that is the initial concept fans had of the operation of VAR

You can only be offside if a part of your body that you can score a goal with is offside. Therefore I cannot understand these VAR decisions where the line is clearly drawn from the players arm/shoulder.

 

[Blue Mist]

Them going back on the corner was definitely after seeing that replay that TNT ran and a word in the ear from VAR.

In the 2nd half Kovacic had a shot just over that glanced off a defenders back and should have been a corner but we didn't get it.

It's probably an on-the-fly decision they can make at their discretion that also depends on how fast the ball is put back into play because then they won't reverse an original incorrect award.

I'd prefer it if they always checked corner awards for ricochets or slight deflections because it takes 15 seconds and no one is waiting too long to get the right call.

Everyone in the stadium saw the Kovacic shot/deflection. It was a corner....... but it wasn't given. I assume TNT didn't show a replay of it.

This enforces my point. If you stray from the rules and interfere on the odd occasion you leave yourself open to fans believing its corrupt. They intervened last night no doubt about it.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

You can only be offside if a part of your body that you can score a goal with is offside. Therefore I cannot understand these VAR decisions where the line is clearly drawn from the players arm/shoulder.

Do you think that PiGMOL need to be made aware ?