Lucy Letby infant murders trial

Looking like they used Letby to be a convenient scapegoat for the hospital's failings. If the convictions are quashed I hope justice is served to her accusers, though I won't hold my breath.
I'm with you on this one. But I say that from the safety of fully adult offspring. She's odd imo no doubt, but that doesn't necessarily make her guilty. Fwiw I think there have been many cover ups at many hospitals over the years, just so sad that in this instance babies were involved.

I do so feel for the parents, I can't even begin to imagine the pain and loss they are going through constantly, it will never go.

I watched a programme about 6 months ago which formed my view that she may not be guilty.
 
I'm with you on this one. But I say that from the safety of fully adult offspring. She's odd imo no doubt, but that doesn't necessarily make her guilty. Fwiw I think there have been many cover ups at many hospitals over the years, just so sad that in this instance babies were involved.

I do so feel for the parents, I can't even begin to imagine the pain and loss they are going through constantly, it will never go.

I watched a programme about 6 months ago which formed my view that she may not be guilty.
Fair enough. I think everyone would be a bit 'odd' if they'd been accused of multiple murders knowing they hadn't done anything wrong.
I watched some of the press conference and it's quite incredible how so called evidence can be twisted and presented to a layman jury.
The post office scandal has parallels.
 
just caught this.. is there actually a possibility she did not cause the death of even 1 of those babies ???!
there's always that possibility with this case. The Doctors wanted her removed and the other bits were statistics and the medical evidence which may or may not be adequate. I wouldn't have liked to be a juror o this case I know that
 
It's horrific for the parents, I really cannot comprehend what they are going through. They've sat through a trial that convicted someone of killing their baby. The evidence is clearly incredibly complicated and I've read a few things that sound like they were misleading. When presented with such a volume of complex medical evidence a jury is very likely to trust what they're being told as fact, when it's the opinion of experts who have been asked to investigate particular evidence. Combine that with shift patterns and it's easy to arrive at a guilty verdict. Particularly when you throw in the odd personal life and behaviour of the defendant.

Now the parents are hearing that there's doubt and could be an alternative answer. And at this stage the doubt is holistic so they don't know what that means for their baby on an individual basis. Not knowing whether your baby was murdered or died from natural causes...well I just can't begin to know what that must be like.

Based on the article, there's been quite a fundamental misinterpretation and misapplication of the evidence. But again, it's one expert reviewing one element of the evidence and how critical that is to the case is to be determined. I've always believed she was guilty personally, but that's based on very little evidence of course. Sometimes there are coincidences, even incredibly strange ones.

I’d include Letbys parents in that sentiment albeit for very different reasons too.
 
Reading into this ages ago it seemed like a lot of evidence was twisted to fit a certain narrative.
I was always in the camp of I wouldn't be shocked if she did do it, but also wouldn't be surprised if she didn't and the hospital scapegoated her. Either way, the parents deserve some hefty fucking compensation with how long this has be dragging on. It must be horrible.
 
Bullshit. If the plea was innocent but was found to be guilty on disputed evidence I agree...but the other more recent high profile cases (Southport, Nottingham) need to be dealt with.
Putting aside that I don't agree with the death penalty, you can't just have it for selected cases where the evidence is more cut and dried and the perpetrator has confessed. Granted, the Southport killer admitted the murders and we've all seen the footage that was released where it shows him pulling up in the taxi, etc, so it was pretty much safe to say that he did it. However, how would you have dealt with Stefan Kiszko? You may or may not know that he confessed to the rape and murder of Lesley Molseed but it eventually transpired many years later that he was coerced by the police into confessing to a crime that he didn't commit. Would you have been happy seeing him sentenced to death, only for it to come out years later that he didn't do it? Maybe on reflection you don't think that's a risk worth taking but there seem to be some that are quite happy to have a Stefan Kiszko or two as collateral damage for bringing back the death penalty. I'm not sure they'd be quite so keen if it was an innocent member of their own family sentenced to death though.
 
Putting aside that I don't agree with the death penalty, you can't just have it for selected cases where the evidence is more cut and dried and the perpetrator has confessed. Granted, the Southport killer admitted the murders and we've all seen the footage that was released where it shows him pulling up in the taxi, etc, so it was pretty much safe to say that he did it. However, how would you have dealt with Stefan Kiszko? You may or may not know that he confessed to the murder of Lesley Molseed but it eventually transpired many years later that he was coerced by the police into confessing to a crime that he didn't commit. Would you have been happy seeing him sentenced to death, only for it to come out years later that he didn't do it?
Not in every guilty conviction or verdict where there is a shred of evidence for doubt.... but Sothport, Nottingham, Lee Rigby etc....... yeah death sentence is fine by me.
 
Not in every guilty conviction or verdict where there is a shred of evidence for doubt.... but Sothport, Nottingham, Lee Rigby etc....... yeah death sentence is fine by me.
But you seem to be implying in those cases where the perpetrator confesses then we should have it. I've just pointed out that Stefan Kiszko confessed and he didn't do it. There was absolutely no talk at the time of his conviction that he might not have done it. He was stitched up by the police and the public were gaslighted into believing that he was guilty. If I or you were old enough to remember the case ourselves, we'd have probably had him down as being guilty too. How the fuck do you reverse something like that?
 
Putting aside that I don't agree with the death penalty, you can't just have it for selected cases where the evidence is more cut and dried and the perpetrator has confessed. Granted, the Southport killer admitted the murders and we've all seen the footage that was released where it shows him pulling up in the taxi, etc, so it was pretty much safe to say that he did it. However, how would you have dealt with Stefan Kiszko? You may or may not know that he confessed to the rape and murder of Lesley Molseed but it eventually transpired many years later that he was coerced by the police into confessing to a crime that he didn't commit. Would you have been happy seeing him sentenced to death, only for it to come out years later that he didn't do it? Maybe on reflection you don't think that's a risk worth taking but there seem to be some that are quite happy to have a Stefan Kiszko or two as collateral damage for bringing back the death penalty. I'm not sure they'd be quite so keen if it was an innocent member of their own family sentenced to death though.
The Kiszko is always my go to case in any death penalty argument. The old bill knew he couldn't possibly have done it but fitted the poor soul right up. Even in an era before DNA a very rudimentary analysis of the semen left would have ruled him out as he was infertile. I took some comfort that his ageing mother, who never gave up on him, saw him released before she died. Tragic.
 
If I remember correctly Stefan was special needs and the police stitched him up. He died shortly after his release. I assume no one was held to account. Very sad case.
Presumably and from memory no one police wise was held to account, I think one senior officer on the case was Dick Holland, who previously was part of the team that fucked up the hunt for the Yorkshire Ripper...prob retired on a full butty. As for actual perp, they got a DNA match years later on some twat from Royton I think, and served him up.
 
If she hasn’t done it she is due big time compensation, her life has been ruined. So has the families of the the poor kids, thinking someone murdered their child. This is awful.
 
If she hasn’t done it she is due big time compensation, her life has been ruined. So has the families of the the poor kids, thinking someone murdered their child. This is awful.

Would be a new identity and some sort of protection for the rest of her life. Too many people that won't accept a reversal of the murder rulings.
 
Bullshit. If the plea was innocent but was found to be guilty on disputed evidence I agree...but the other more recent high profile cases (Southport, Nottingham) need to be dealt with.

Nothing bullshit, we simply have a difference of opinion.
 

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