Lucy Letby infant murders trial

BigJoe#1 said:
Not in every guilty conviction or verdict where there is a shred of evidence for doubt.... but Sothport, Nottingham, Lee Rigby etc....... yeah death sentence is fine by me.
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You would of said Lucy Letby in the mix a couple weeks ago.
 
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Exactly what I meant. This will be trial by Tiktok. There's some right bollocks already online and half of it is in the last 20 replies on this thread.

Clickbait media headlines fueling a narrative exactly what her "barrister" wants.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
You would of said Lucy Letby in the mix a couple weeks ago.
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thanks for telling me what I would say.... maybe you should reply to this post for me as you know me so well?

As it happens I have had some doubt about her total guilt ever since she was convicted.

She was not always on duty at the time all the babies died.

I do believe people higher up the food chain are covering mistakes they themselves have made (as they do).

Moreover I have not been convinced that her behaviour when arrested was that of a guilty person... she looked genuinely overwhelmed and shocked, not that I am qualified to make judgement but I can have an opinion, which is all that this, like in other threads is.
 
M18CTID said:
But you seem to be implying in those cases where the perpetrator confesses then we should have it. I've just pointed out that Stefan Kiszko confessed and he didn't do it. There was absolutely no talk at the time of his conviction that he might not have done it. He was stitched up by the police and the public were gaslighted into believing that he was guilty. If I or you were old enough to remember the case ourselves, we'd have probably had him down as being guilty too. How the fuck do you reverse something like that?
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Stefan Kiszko could easily have ended up like Timothy Evans.
I remember when he was released there was much made of how much compensation he would receive by the press - he sadly passed away soon after if I recall correctly his mum outlived him they never did get all the money - she lost her son twice - heartbreaking and just imagine if we did have the death penalty the poor man would be just a footnote and the actual murderer ( Ronald Castree) would have gotten away with it.
 
N1985 said:
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Exactly what I meant. This will be trial by Tiktok. There's some right bollocks already online and half of it is in the last 20 replies on this thread.

Clickbait media headlines fueling a narrative exactly what her "barrister" wants.
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Not sure why you’ve put barrister in quotation marks. His current status is here:

Barrister Details - Mr Mark Paul McDonald

www.barstandardsboard.org.uk www.barstandardsboard.org.uk

He’s a practising barrister, although not a KC as I suggested earlier.
 
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N1985 said:
She's guilty as fuck.

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I feel for the parents. Fucking horrendous this whilst her sham of a defence team funded by fuck knows who stage what is basically a mock trial and inquiry.

They'll flood the narrative with enough bollocks so we have the Nicola Bulley sleuths picking out new theories. Throw enough shit and something will stick, quickish retrial (because she should be waiting years not months) then try and find an unprejudiced jury that don't live their lives on Tiktok.
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Can anybody explain to me how the new evidence could suggest that she isn’t guilty despite this note existing. I haven’t properly followed the case. That’s a written submission, surely?
 
Manchester_lalala said:
Can anybody explain to me how the new evidence could suggest that she isn’t guilty despite this note existing. I haven’t properly followed the case. That’s a written submission, surely?
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No, given it also has in it her saying she didn’t do it. Bit of info on it here -

www.theguardian.com

‘I am evil I did this’: Lucy Letby’s so-called confessions were written on advice of counsellors

Prosecutors used densely written Post-its to build case against nurse, but she was told to write down her feelings to cope with extreme stress, sources say
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
stan bowles said:
I thought they found diaries at her home where she'd written she'd killed the babies ?
Nice of Dr Shoo Lee to refer to her as 'Lucy' - clearly meant to engender sympathy and compassion.
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She wrote those comments after she’d been accused and it could be argued that she was feeling guilty for not saving the kids instead of killing them.

I had my doubts after the BBC* documentary on the case and ‘evidence’.

*may have been a different channel as I can’t find it now.
 
I believe there are issues on the ward with sanitation etc and that they covered all this up during the trial.

Found the documentary

www.bbc.co.uk

Panorama - Lucy Letby: Unanswered Questions

Former nurse Lucy Letby was convicted of harming and murdering babies in her care. Now, a growing number of experts are questioning the prosecution's evidence.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
horlock_was_super said:
Stefan Kiszko could easily have ended up like Timothy Evans.
I remember when he was released there was much made of how much compensation he would receive by the press - he sadly passed away soon after if I recall correctly his mum outlived him they never did get all the money - she lost her son twice - heartbreaking and just imagine if we did have the death penalty the poor man would be just a footnote and the actual murderer ( Ronald Castree) would have gotten away with it.
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That case sickened me to the core, bless him
 
Manchester_lalala said:
Can anybody explain to me how the new evidence could suggest that she isn’t guilty despite this note existing. I haven’t properly followed the case. That’s a written submission, surely?
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The expert medical witness that the prosecution used was not sound. And lots of other medical experts have come out to say that his testimony was nonsense.

This doesn't prove her innocence, it just highlights one element of the trial that was badly orchestrated.

What they are not focusing on, is the 9 months of trial evidence that was extremely compelling. Like for instance, the 30x air tubes that had malfunctions while Letby was on duty. Yet none malfunctioned at any other time when she was off duty.

Then in her journal, she had written in the initials of each baby that had died, on the date that they had died. This is classic trophy keeping behaviour. She also wrote the following, "I AM EVIL I DID THIS, I killed them on purpose because I'm not good enough, I don't deserve to live, I am an awful person."

And even when she took to the stand, she was incapable of defending herself. Could not explain about the stuff she wrote in her journal, or text messages to other nurses after the deaths on their ward. She was fishing for sympathy from them. She was looking up the families of dead children on Facebook, for a reaction or acknowledgement of their grief.

She showed no emotion while the details of each baby was read out in court, but suddenly bawled crying when a male doctor colleague gave evidence against her. And it later became apparent that she had fancied him. So she was more upset about that than all of the dead babies which demonstrates a very warped and narcissistic behaviour.
 
Citi-leaks said:
The expert medical witness that the prosecution used was not sound. And lots of other medical experts have come out to say that his testimony was nonsense.

This doesn't prove her innocence, it just highlights one element of the trial that was badly orchestrated.

What they are not focusing on, is the 9 months of trial evidence that was extremely compelling. Like for instance, the 30x air tubes that had malfunctions while Letby was on duty. Yet none malfunctioned at any other time when she was off duty.

Then in her journal, she had written in the initials of each baby that had died, on the date that they had died. This is classic trophy keeping behaviour. She also wrote the following, "I AM EVIL I DID THIS, I killed them on purpose because I'm not good enough, I don't deserve to live, I am an awful person."

And even when she took to the stand, she was incapable of defending herself. Could not explain about the stuff she wrote in her journal, or text messages to other nurses after the deaths on their ward. She was fishing for sympathy from them. She was looking up the families of dead children on Facebook, for a reaction or acknowledgement of their grief.

She showed no emotion while the details of each baby was read out in court, but suddenly bawled crying when a male doctor colleague gave evidence against her. And it later became apparent that she had fancied him. So she was more upset about that than all of the dead babies which demonstrates a very warped and narcissistic behaviour.
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Some would have us believe that she is now innocent, too many partisan opinions from people who know very little about the case other than buying mass murderer magazines.
 
Manchester_lalala said:
Can anybody explain to me how the new evidence could suggest that she isn’t guilty despite this note existing. I haven’t properly followed the case. That’s a written submission, surely?
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I don’t think it’s a case of new evidence, but more a case that (some of) the evidence which was heavily relied upon to help convince the jury, was incorrect/inaccurate/taken out of context and therefore her conviction is unsound.

Although I think one or two of the doctors are suggesting she is innocent…I think it’s more that this current development is suggesting she hasn’t/can’t be proved guilty. There’s a difference between the two.
 
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