Reform 2025 Limited new name same business

[TinFoilHat]

 

[BigJoe#1]

Yeah, it's going to be horrendous. Sainsbury's sacking thousands while making a billion pound profit.

Yup.... they're not the only ones that have and will fee the effect of increase employment costs.

Along with other companies having to also recover increased employment costs, Companies such as logistics, oil and many others putting up their charges to cover the increased employers NI contribution will all pass on to the supermarkets and inevitably on to the end consumer increasing the proce of goods, pushing up inflation.... doesn't sound too much like growth to me.

Still don't worry we'll have a change of administration again in five years which will result in even more money being splurged up the wall..... lovely eh?

 

[BlueHammer85]

Somehow, I think backing Trump's USA v normalcy will take its toll on his popularity - unless his appeal to patriotic Brits turns to persuading them that subservience to the EU (in which we had a major say) is worse than submission to a foreign dictatorship in which we have no say. Let's hear it from the Reform types - is that what you want?

Either way, they’re rising up in the polls and and show no signs of slowing down.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Either way, they’re rising up in the polls and and show no signs of slowing down.

Can you work out why this is?

Is it because everyone that votes for them is stupid or is it because people have woken up and cannot accept the crap alternatives that both the the Labour and Conservatives (not forgetting the Social Democrats and the greens) have to offer.

Think about it. What a really shit dichotomy. Both options give us thieves and liars.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Can you work out why this is?

Is it because everyone that votes for them is stupid or is it because people have woken up and cannot accept the crap alternatives that both the the Labour and Conservatives (not forgetting the Social Democrats and the greens) have to offer.

Think about it. What a really shit dichotomy. Both options give us thieves and liars.

Social media, lies, disinformation, anti migrant and ‘woke’ bullshit over and over - same people that were conned by Farage with Brexit are the same people happy to be conned again.
Labour are doing a fine job by the way.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Social media, lies, disinformation, anti migrant and ‘woke’ bullshit over and over - same people that were conned by Farage with Brexit are the same people happy to be conned again.
Labour are doing a fine job by the way.

So the removal of WFP was a lie then?
So was the employer NI contribution having been told taxes wouldn't rise?
Is being concerned about your overcrowded country taking even more migrants anti-migrant? FFS we have no houses for people to live in, too few doctors for the population, too few schools and teachers and there are clowns who want to bring more people in?.... I really do despair at the low level of common sense in this country.

You really do have low standards if you are satisfied with this Labour Government, still, it does take allsorts.

 

[hcblue95]

So the removal of WFP was a lie then?
So was the employer NI contribution having been told taxes wouldn't rise?
Is being concerned about your overcrowded country taking even more migrants anti-migrant? FFS we have no houses for people to live in, too few doctors for the population, too few schools and teachers and there are clowns who want to bring more people in?.... I really do despair at the low level of common sense in this country.

You really do have low standards if you are satisfied with this Labour Government, still, it does take allsorts.

Do you think Reform would be doing a better job? Did you vote for brexit by any chance?

 

[BigJoe#1]

Do you think Reform would be doing a better job? Did you vote for brexit by any chance?

Your question might be better phrased "do you think Reform could do a worse job"?

How I voted has no relevance to how the current government is performing.

 

[meltonblue]

Can you work out why this is?

Is it because everyone that votes for them is stupid or is it because people have woken up and cannot accept the crap alternatives that both the the Labour and Conservatives (not forgetting the Social Democrats and the greens) have to offer.

Think about it. What a really shit dichotomy. Both options give us thieves and liars.

It’s both.

 

[hcblue95]

Your question might be better phrased "do you think Reform could do a worse job"?

How I voted has no relevance to how the current government is performing.

I think how you voted has relevance to how you feel the current government is performing.

 

[BigJoe#1]

I think how you voted has relevance to how you feel the current government is performing.

Not really I have been totally dissatisfied with both major parties and the whole democratic set up for at least two decades.

Is this a case of any of port in a storm...? I genuinely don't think so, even though the "A new brush sweeps clean" doesn't really work here but given the choice between same 'ol,same 'ol and something new.... who knows?

But my vote in the Brexit referendum really is pointless here.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Can you work out why this is?

Is it because everyone that votes for them is stupid or is it because people have woken up and cannot accept the crap alternatives that both the the Labour and Conservatives (not forgetting the Social Democrats and the greens) have to offer.

Think about it. What a really shit dichotomy. Both options give us thieves and liars.

Let's be honest, people vote Reform because they're right wing and the usual choice for right wingers is fucked for the foreseeable future because of the utter failure of particularly their last 5 years in power. This 'the main two parties are just as bad as each other' is just bullshit from people who don't want to admit that they're right wing, which is a pretty common occurrence at every election.

This idea that people are done with grifters and corruption (14 million votes for Boris, even though we all knew what he was like) so they're going to vote for Nigel Farage of all people, is bollocks. They vote for Farage because they agree with his policies.

 

[mosssideblue]

Let's be honest, people vote Reform because they're right wing and the usual choice for right wingers is fucked for the foreseeable future because of the utter failure of particularly their last 5 years in power. This 'the main two parties are just as bad as each other' is just bullshit from people who don't want to admit that they're right wing, which is a pretty common occurrence at every election.

This idea that people are done with grifters and corruption (14 million votes for Boris, even though we all knew what he was like) so they're going to vote for Nigel Farage of all people, is bollocks. They vote for Farage because they agree with his policies.

What policies?

 

[I'm With Stupid]

What policies?

Get rid of the immigrants. Close the borders. Fuck Europe but somehow still freely trade with them, but only if we can write all of the rules. I didn't say they were good policies.

 

[mosssideblue]

Get rid of the immigrants. Close the borders. Fuck Europe but somehow still freely trade with them, but only if we can write all of the rules. I didn't say they were good policies.

He has no policies just spouts words that mugs fall for

 

[BigJoe#1]

Let's be honest, people vote Reform because they're right wing and the usual choice for right wingers is fucked for the foreseeable future because of the utter failure of particularly their last 5 years in power. This 'the main two parties are just as bad as each other' is just bullshit from people who don't want to admit that they're right wing, which is a pretty common occurrence at every election.

This idea that people are done with grifters and corruption (14 million votes for Boris, even though we all knew what he was like) so they're going to vote for Nigel Farage of all people, is bollocks. They vote for Farage because they agree with his policies.

I think you're being rather disingenuous to suggest that anyone who cannot vote for Labour or Conservative means they are right wing. Both those two parties are hopeless in their inability to be flexible about their ideologies.

I mean how does that work when I'm all for state ownership of ALL the utilities and internal transportation?

 

[bluethrunthru]

Get rid of the immigrants. Close the borders. Fuck Europe but somehow still freely trade with them, but only if we can write all of the rules. I didn't say they were good policies.

Ahh - the Mad Nads conclusion lol?

 

[I'm With Stupid]

I think you're being rather disingenuous to suggest that anyone who cannot vote for Labour or Conservative means they are right wing.

I didn't say that. I said that if you're disillusioned with the Tories and Labour and you then go for the most right wing of the other options, then you're probably right wing. If I was in the same boat and voted Green, you'd probably be pretty safe to assume I'm a leftie.

I mean how does that work when I'm all for state ownership of ALL the utilities and internal transportation?

Well people are complicated. But if you've paid attention to the last 10 years of Nigel Farage's career and everything he's said, and you think he'd enact any of those policies, then I think you'd be in for a nasty surprise if he ever got into power.

 

[BigJoe#1]

I didn't say that. I said that if you're disillusioned with the Tories and Labour and you then go for the most right wing of the other options, then you're probably right wing. If I was in the same boat and voted Green, you'd probably be pretty safe to assume I'm a leftie.


Well people are complicated. But if you've paid attention to the last 10 years of Nigel Farage's career and everything he's said, and you think he'd enact any of those policies, then I think you'd be in for a nasty surprise if he ever got into power.

"This 'the main two parties are just as bad as each other' is just bullshit from people who don't want to admit that they're right wing"
To me, this Pretty much says that anyone who cannot vote for Labour or Conservative means they are right wing. or have I misread you?

 

[I'm With Stupid]

"This 'the main two parties are just as bad as each other' is just bullshit from people who don't want to admit that they're right wing"
To me, this Pretty much says that anyone who cannot vote for Labour or Conservative means they are right wing. or have I misread you?

Yeah a little bit. I mean when people give that as their reason for voting for Reform, not just when people say that in general. Nothing wrong with thinking that the main two parties are shit and looking for a third option (even if under our current stupid system, they've got fuck all chance), but don't then pretend you're not basically picking the one that aligns with your values politically.