MAGA folks will credit him with getting the Gaza ceasefire then with mangling it a fortnight later.
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What exactly is it you think Trump will do that will arrest this decline? I'm also interested in whether you think a degree of authoritarianism in the US is a price worth paying to address some of these ills? How would you feel about the expansion of the power of the state to address them?
I ask because culturally you're a highly individualistic country whose definition of national pride/identity is quite 'superficial' in comparison to some of the more collectivist cultures say of Asia. You are also a nation that has chaffed against centralised control and the curtailment of liberties. The countries you have named checked that would seek to eat your lunch display a variety of those characteristics that are quite alien to the US.
I assume you were attracted to Trump because you felt he had some answers to the fact that many countries are indeed raising their children to outwork and outhink the traditional western powers. I don't mean generalist terms such as "unleash the potential" rather what in you view are the policy answers he will provide?
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Four more years of this tedious shite.
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Some interesting examples there.
Here’s how Putin’s Eurasianism project is being imparted in schools in that part of the world:
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For more on the history of Eurasianism and it's origins in the Russian intellectual avant-garde and fascist underground movements of the past and present, see Charles Clover's extraordinary study Black Wind, White Snow.
As for India, well I'd certainly be wary of using the state of Gujarat as an example. This is from Martha Nussbaum's Not For Profit: Why Democracy Needs The Humanities:
Of course, I'm sure those engineers were very hard working when they were at school.
Additionally, I can't ever recall ever being told to instruct pupils that 'we suck' when it comes to our history, either by the senior management of any of the schools I spent time in or as part of the content of the GCSE, A Level and International Baccalaureate courses that I taught.
Am guessing, though, that you may have had something like colonialism in mind when you typed those two words.
As it happens, I never taught that topic. But if I was tasked with doing so, I would probably have spent a good part of my 'holidays' reading and making notes on Nigel Biggar's recent and controversial book, and then contrasting his ideas with those of Alan Lester in his The Truth About Empire: Real Histories of British Colonialism. As a terminal essay, I would then have set my students one requiring them to explain and critique Biggar.
Here's Lester's own attempt to do just that:
The British Empire Rehabilitated?
Nigel Biggar, Colonialism: A Moral Reckoning, William Collins, 2023. Reviewed by Alan Lester Nigel Biggar’s Colonialism begins with a story of its author’s persecution at the hands of domineering “…
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Don't bank on it.
Trump Declines to Back Away From ‘You Don’t Have to Vote Again’ Line
The former president, in an interview on Fox News, declined to back away from his comments and repeated his argument that if he’s elected, “the country will be fixed” and their votes won’t be needed.
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Did I stutter?
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Wholly unserious, with money, power and influence: What could possibly go wrong?
Whether he has anything substantial going on upstairs or not the guy is a walking, talking conflict of interest wrapped up in a huge security red flag surrounded by flashing neon danger signs.
I wouldn't trust him to run a bath.
Fair enough. On that point i feel the same way
I disagree he is a scam artist. Not that I think that is beyond him. But nothing he is doing politically rings of trying to scam the people.
I do agree he is a narcissist and wont disagree he thinks mostly of himself. But where we disagree, and where I think your analysis breaks down is on what you believe he wants.
I have previously pointed this out. What he wants is adulation and a political legacy. And the only way to achieve this is to do things that convinces the majority of the population that it's in their favor... If you start with an understanding of that premise, everything he is doing makes sense.
He is trying to appeal to the majority as a rule.
Setting up an organization to audit '"Fraud, Waste and Misuse' is something most of the population is for. Even those who hate him... There is no one who doesn't want fraud and waste ended. Sure they may quibble with the process, but the goal is wanted by a majority who isbt profiting from the fraud or waste.
Attempting to half the deficit- Most wants this. You might doubt his ability to do this or disagree on whether the actions he is taking will achieve it but that goal is wanted. Anr the plan of how they intend to attempt to achieve it us no secret. Sure many self acclaimed economic scholars here have concluded it would fail. But unfortunately most Americans aren't self acclaimed scholars, so the best they can do is give it a chance. So we do.
Deportation of illegal. Especially those who are convicted criminals and those whose cases have been adjudicated and removal orders posted... By the way, as of last week, 97% of everyone apprehended, fit that description above. In other words, the Biden administration was simply not following the rule of law by failing pick up and deport people who's Immigration cases had been adjudicated by Immigration Courts. Foggy pay attention!
Again, the majority is for this. Even liberals don't want to live with violent criminals if they don't have to. Many will quibble about the process, and fantasize about the motivations behind following the law, but if there is q wcam here, its that its unlikely that they can round up all those who have committed felonies here ir the ave been adjudicated for removal in his 4 years in office. We are talking over a million people fitting that description.here.
Dismantling DEI is also popular with the majority. Discrimination in a different name is still just discrimination. Everyone recognizes it. And most if they could would rather not have discrimination unde any disguise.
Reducing, cost of production through energy cost reduction also is supported by most. Once the legislature gets going, his tax plan including closing some billionaires loopholes and removing taxes on tips and overtime ( also is a majorly supported).
Banning men from women sports is also supported by most.
These are by and large his promises and plans. I see nothing wrong with the overarching plan.
True, when he shoots from the hip with ideas like Gaza takeover (which i really think is a negotiation tactic) im pissed and worried because that wasn't on the bingo card. Most of what else he is doing though, was. And there are legitimate and majority support for them. Even if the minority intellectuals here and in rhe States disagree.
I am honestly not going to pretend i am as interested in Gaza as most here are. I'm not. I have a general concern for people suffering anywhere and pray for the best and that their plight gets resolved sooner than later with less suffering . But on a personal note I'm more concerned about the Genocide in Cameroun, about Boko Haram kidnapping girls and murdering boys in Northern Nigeria, and the menace of KFR in the South South. These seem to be of greater emotional concern for me than say Gaza or Ukraine. I understand, most in the West are more interested in these 2 conflicts and perhaps for good reason. But im not as invested
I'm sure the way you feel or think about South Cameroun, Boko Haram and K for R should give you an insight into how i feel about Gaza/Ukraine.
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1. Your belief is not required. :)
2. Perhaps you should stop being a douchebag who bring up other poster's family members in your idiotic responses. You've brought up my mom once before in one of your douchebaggery and some other posters wife yesterday. Now my kids that i don't have apparently are your new targets. Yet, anyone discusses trans ideology here and you consider it a personal attack on you and your family. You need to quit with your projecting and learn how to actually become that empathetic human you often lie to yourself you are
3. By asking not what your country can do for you, but what you can so for your country?
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Someone on Quora asked “Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?” Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:
A few things spring to mind.
Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.
For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.
So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.
Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever.
I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.
But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.
Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.
And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.
There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.
Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.
Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.
And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.
Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.
He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.
He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.
And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.
That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.
There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.
So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
• Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
• You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.
This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.
After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.
God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.
He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.
In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.
And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:
‘My God… what… have… I… created?
If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.
Source: jobsanger: British Writer Pens The Best Description Of Trump I’ve Read
A few things spring to mind.
Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.
For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.
So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.
Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever.
I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.
But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.
Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.
And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.
There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.
Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.
Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.
And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.
Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.
He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.
He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.
And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.
That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.
There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.
So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
• Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
• You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.
This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.
After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.
God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.
He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.
In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.
And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:
‘My God… what… have… I… created?
If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.
Source: jobsanger: British Writer Pens The Best Description Of Trump I’ve Read
BigJoe#1
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One call and so soon into his presidency seems to have began the process, talks are happening. People must be really pissed off that he's managed to start to get things going and now the prospect of peace talks are on the horizon.
I can understand why this would be so.
He said he’d end it with 1 call. It’s not ended. What has he got going? Unless he fully supports pre invasion borders he’ll be nothing but Putins bitch. The yank arms industry certainly won’t want peace, they are making a fortune.
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BigJoe#1
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So are you not pleased he is begining the process? I am.
I am not as keen as you to antagonise by demanding pre-invasion borders. It needs to be professionally negotiated just like the release of the hostages in Palestine.
Putin gets Ukraine, Trump gets Greenland and all its minerals. China gets Taiwan. Palestinians get fucked.
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Still, it’s good that the process has begun.
Why should Ukraine concede any territory to an aggressor? Borders decided by said aggressor decades before. Maybe Britain should give the Falklands to Argentina.
Process towards to what though?
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Yeah..... much better than digging in and start chucking atomic bombs at each other.
As lovely as it would be I very much doubt Russia are going to just say... "Oh, okay Donny babe we will give back everything might have gained, so no need for you to get involved".
It is a start, not the end, a start.
What did you honestly expect?