President Trump

west didsblue said:
I think you should open your eyes.

Zelenskyy knows that the only way to get Trump onside is to flatter him. That is not contradictory to his comments that a deal is not possible if he is cut out of discussions which he has said has happened so far.

Just my opinion but it seems clear to me that at some point in the next few days Trump will attempt to blackmail Zelenskyy to accept whatever terms he’s agreed with Putin.
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You mean again?
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Neither you or I or anyone else on this forum has any idea who has been involved in any negotiations at this stage, the fact that they are trying to be initiated can only be a good thing can't it?
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Not without Ukraine’s participation. You may call them negotiations but they are nothing of the sort.
 
True_Blue69 said:
Fair play to him he sounds like he has finally made a breakthrough with Russia and Ukraine. No one knows what any peace deal may look like and Zelenskyy will have to agree to whatever is on the table.

How can anyone not think this good news other than base it on their hatred of Trump? Any other president or politician did this they would be being praised.
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Zelensky having to agree to what’s on the table is not a negotiation.

It’s far from good news
 
Blue and true said:
What the fuck are you talking about with negotiations? Why should there be any negotiations? Russia illegally invaded a sovereign nation, killing thousands of innocent civilians in the process. Why should they cede any territory that was once theirs before a murderous tyrant invaded?
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And this is wht we have wars and wars carry on.... what is/are the alternatives? Nuke the fuckers?

If there aren't negotiations then there will be the continued killing of thousands of innocent civilians. So you don't want to negotiate AND like most sensible people (welcome aboard) you don't want the killing to continue. So what do you want? What would you propose?
 
Dax777 said:
Fair enough. On that point i feel the same way


I disagree he is a scam artist. Not that I think that is beyond him. But nothing he is doing politically rings of trying to scam the people.

I do agree he is a narcissist and wont disagree he thinks mostly of himself. But where we disagree, and where I think your analysis breaks down is on what you believe he wants.

I have previously pointed this out. What he wants is adulation and a political legacy. And the only way to achieve this is to do things that convinces the majority of the population that it's in their favor... If you start with an understanding of that premise, everything he is doing makes sense.

He is trying to appeal to the majority as a rule.

Setting up an organization to audit '"Fraud, Waste and Misuse' is something most of the population is for. Even those who hate him... There is no one who doesn't want fraud and waste ended. Sure they may quibble with the process, but the goal is wanted by a majority who isbt profiting from the fraud or waste.

Attempting to half the deficit- Most wants this. You might doubt his ability to do this or disagree on whether the actions he is taking will achieve it but that goal is wanted. Anr the plan of how they intend to attempt to achieve it us no secret. Sure many self acclaimed economic scholars here have concluded it would fail. But unfortunately most Americans aren't self acclaimed scholars, so the best they can do is give it a chance. So we do.

Deportation of illegal. Especially those who are convicted criminals and those whose cases have been adjudicated and removal orders posted... By the way, as of last week, 97% of everyone apprehended, fit that description above. In other words, the Biden administration was simply not following the rule of law by failing pick up and deport people who's Immigration cases had been adjudicated by Immigration Courts. Foggy pay attention!

Again, the majority is for this. Even liberals don't want to live with violent criminals if they don't have to. Many will quibble about the process, and fantasize about the motivations behind following the law, but if there is q wcam here, its that its unlikely that they can round up all those who have committed felonies here ir the ave been adjudicated for removal in his 4 years in office. We are talking over a million people fitting that description.here.


Dismantling DEI is also popular with the majority. Discrimination in a different name is still just discrimination. Everyone recognizes it. And most if they could would rather not have discrimination unde any disguise.

Reducing, cost of production through energy cost reduction also is supported by most. Once the legislature gets going, his tax plan including closing some billionaires loopholes and removing taxes on tips and overtime ( also is a majorly supported).

Banning men from women sports is also supported by most.

These are by and large his promises and plans. I see nothing wrong with the overarching plan.

True, when he shoots from the hip with ideas like Gaza takeover (which i really think is a negotiation tactic) im pissed and worried because that wasn't on the bingo card. Most of what else he is doing though, was. And there are legitimate and majority support for them. Even if the minority intellectuals here and in rhe States disagree.



I am honestly not going to pretend i am as interested in Gaza as most here are. I'm not. I have a general concern for people suffering anywhere and pray for the best and that their plight gets resolved sooner than later with less suffering . But on a personal note I'm more concerned about the Genocide in Cameroun, about Boko Haram kidnapping girls and murdering boys in Northern Nigeria, and the menace of KFR in the South South. These seem to be of greater emotional concern for me than say Gaza or Ukraine. I understand, most in the West are more interested in these 2 conflicts and perhaps for good reason. But im not as invested

I'm sure the way you feel or think about South Cameroun, Boko Haram and K for R should give you an insight into how i feel about Gaza/Ukraine.
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Genocide is genocide no matter where in the world it occurs. Is the civil war in South Cameroon funded by America?
Does America supply weapons to enable genocide there?
 
BigJoe#1 said:
And this is wht we have wars and wars carry on.... what is/are the alternatives? Nuke the fuckers?

If there aren't negotiations then there will be the continued killing of thousands of innocent civilians. So you don't want to negotiate AND like most sensible people (welcome aboard) you don't want the killing to continue. So what do you want? What would you propose?
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What's the alternative? How about standing by Ukraine and supporting them against Russian aggression, and not letting that scumbag get his way. Thank fuck we didn't have your attitude during World War II; half of Europe would be speaking German.
 
Blue and true said:
What's the alternative? How about standing by Ukraine and supporting them against Russian aggression, and not letting that scumbag get his way. Thank fuck we didn't have your attitude during World War II; half of Europe would be speaking German.
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Gottcha, you're up for escalating the war and abandoning any prospect os talks to end it.

Well, we keep getting told the planet is getting a bit overcrowded don't we?
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Hindsight is a wonderful thing! We are discussing the factual here and now and what HAS happened, not what we would have liked to not have happened in '22.
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You don't need hindsight to know that invading another country isn't a great way of avoiding wars.
 
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