VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

lancs blue said:
My take is that the semi-automated tech didn't flag it as offside but because it looked tight in real time the VAR officials decided to take a closer look. It isn't VAR itself that is the problem, it's the human element that fucks it up with 3 or 4 minute delays.
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VAR is humans looking at video
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Tell that to those Leicester fans who travelled to Old Trafford to get knocked out the Cup by an offside goal in the last minute - they should just suck it up ? And they can take solace that those Man Utd fans can celebrate ‘properly’.

Lets not forget this was happening week in week out before VAR and whilst we all have nostalgia looking back at the good old days I can recall most of the time being pissed off with the officials and even more pissed off finding out later that they got it completely wrong.
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It wasn’t happening week in week out at all
If you think it right to rule a goal off with dodgy tech by mm then that’s insane

We know have situations where a clear offside, last night at least twice, is played on with players then committed to a tackle last season this happened twice to Edison who was injured and had to go off that so we have your dumb VAR
VAR has spoilt the game and does so week in week out with evangelists like you to ready make excuses for it The majority of match going fans want rid
Last week at OT was a mistake that rarely happens before VAR and it was totally inexcusable
 
What a fucking hypocrite camelgob is

Complaining about Mario celebrating in front of the rags at Wembley.

I clearly remember the rags celebrating in front of City supporters at Maine Road in the 2000\01 derby.

Fucking wanker
 
I’d have lost hope if that was given offside. Even if it was. To think a moment like that was nearly ruined.

Football is emotive. VAR is machinery. The opposite of emotions. They don’t mix and never should.

IMO anyway.
 
skillman said:
I’d have lost hope if that was given offside. Even if it was. To think a moment like that was nearly ruined.

Football is emotive. VAR is machinery. The opposite of emotions. They don’t mix and never should.

IMO anyway.
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Coventrys winner against the rags last season also. It’s shite.
 
Vienna_70 said:
What a fucking hypocrite camelgob is

Complaining about Mario celebrating in front of the rags at Wembley.

I clearly remember the rags celebrating in front of City supporters at Maine Road in the 2000\01 derby.

Fucking wanker
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Can a mod explain why this was moved to the VAR thread?

It’s nothing to do with VAR, rather Ferdinand's hypocrisy about players celebrating in front of opposing fans.
 
Vienna_70 said:
What a fucking hypocrite camelgob is

Complaining about Mario celebrating in front of the rags at Wembley.

I clearly remember the rags celebrating in front of City supporters at Maine Road in the 2000\01 derby.

Fucking wanker
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It didn't even happen the way he described

From the Final Whistle to the rags aggressive reaction, Balotelli never moved from the halfway line
 
Gordyola said:
It wasn’t happening week in week out at all
If you think it right to rule a goal off with dodgy tech by mm then that’s insane

We know have situations where a clear offside, last night at least twice, is played on with players then committed to a tackle last season this happened twice to Edison who was injured and had to go off that so we have your dumb VAR
VAR has spoilt the game and does so week in week out with evangelists like you to ready make excuses for it The majority of match going fans want rid
Last week at OT was a mistake that rarely happens before VAR and it was totally inexcusable
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It was totally excusable in my book. The rules make it nearly impossible to judge offside accurately without VAR as a back up so I don't blame the linesman at all.

You now have the ridiculous situation where attackers are deliberately standing, as a tactic, in an offside position or bobbing between offside and onside positions knowing they aren't commiting an offence unless they become "active".

So why are they doing that? To cause confusion in the application of a defensive line or gain a mm advantage. Sounds active to me.

And what is the practical upshot for linesmen? That they have to look across the line and judge if anyone in front of the last defender does anything to affect play. When you have attackers deliberately standing offside, others bobbing on and offside and one or two waiting to make a late run it just isn't possible for a linesman to take it all in and come to the correct decision when you have 15 or so players spread across the pitch in a space no wider than a metre or so.

And don't let any supporters of VAR give you the "benefit to the attacker" argument when players like Haaland are bring wrestled to the ground ten times a game. It's just bollocks.

It's simply how to ruin a game with rules that are practically impossible to apply without a frame by frame analysis with video technology. That isn't what the game is about in my book, and so you will get "mistakes" when that technology isn't available.

My answer: don't get "more accurate" technology, simply change the rules to make their application easier.

Once again, like the Rashford / Fernandes goal, stupid rules are taking the game further and further away from the officials ability to apply them and the ability of people in the ground to judge them. It's just one of the things ruining the matchday experience. It's an absolute disgrace.

Don't blame the officials, blame the rule makers.
 
halfcenturyup said:
It was totally excusable in my book. The rules make it nearly impossible to judge offside accurately without VAR as a back up so I don't blame the linesman at all.

You now have the ridiculous situation where attackers are deliberately standing, as a tactic, in an offside position or bobbing between offside and onside positions knowing they aren't commiting an offence unless they become "active".

So why are they doing that? To cause confusion in the application of a defensive line or gain a mm advantage. Sounds active to me.

And what is the practical upshot for linesmen? That they have to look across the line and judge if anyone in front of the last defender does anything to affect play. When you have attackers deliberately standing offside, others bobbing on and offside and one or two waiting to make a late run it just isn't possible for a linesman to take it all in and come to the correct decision when you have 15 or so players spread across the pitch in a space no wider than a metre or so.

And don't let any supporters of VAR give you the "benefit to the attacker" argument when players like Haaland are bring wrestled to the ground ten times a game. It's just bollocks.

It's simply how to ruin a game with rules that are practically impossible to apply without a frame by frame analysis with video technology. That isn't what the game is about in my book, and so you will get "mistakes" when that technology isn't available.

My answer: don't get "more accurate" technology, simply change the rules to make their application easier.

Once again, like the Rashford / Fernandes goal, stupid rules are taking the game further and further away from the officials ability to apply them and the ability of people in the ground to judge them. It's just one of the things ruining the matchday experience. It's an absolute disgrace.

Don't blame the officials, blame the rule makers.
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I mostly agree with you, but the offside call was the easiest decision he had to make all game.

The rules and interpretations have been manipulated to favour VAR, trying to remove the subjective element and make them work as you said.

Linesmen have pretty much gotten it right for over 100 years, and they didn’t judge to the millimeter like VAR does. That’s correct because the law wasn’t introduced to punish the fine margins; it was there to stop “goal hanging.”
 
Gordyola said:
I mostly agree with you, but the offside call was the easiest decision he had to make all game.

The rules and interpretations have been manipulated to favour VAR, trying to remove the subjective element and make them work as you said.

Linesmen have pretty much gotten it right for over 100 years, and they didn’t judge to the millimeter like VAR does. That’s correct because the law wasn’t introduced to punish the fine margins; it was there to stop “goal hanging.”
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Polite reminder the linesman flagged this offside… We simply cannot allow things to go back to how they were, in favour of certain teams!!
 

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Bluearmy said:
Polite reminder the linesman flagged this offside… We simply cannot allow things to go back to how they were, in favour of certain teams!!
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Polite reminder we have goals disallowed because a mm fraction of an attacker’s body is in front of a defender every week Errors like the image were rare and had VAR illuminated all errors like the ghost goal at OT? Give me an very occasional errors than the farce like we had last night searching for a fraction so they can gleefully disallow a perfectly good goal
 
Bluearmy said:
Polite reminder the linesman flagged this offside… We simply cannot allow things to go back to how they were, in favour of certain teams!!
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Give me that all day long and being able to go ballistic every time we score.

But don’t let me be the arbiter. Put it to the vote - every single season ticket holder at every ground.

VAR or no VAR.

We know the result. Wouldn’t even be close.
 
Just short of 4 Minutes was a joke but blame these two...

Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Willy Delajod (FRA)

I bet more than half of the VAR officials during this round of knockout games would have communicated their decision to the ref in no more than 2 minutes.
 
Coljj said:
Just short of 4 Minutes was a joke but blame these two...

Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Willy Delajod (FRA)

I bet more than half of the VAR officials during this round of knockout games would have communicated their decision to the ref in no more than 2 minutes.
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How do you come to that conclusion?
 
stonerblue said:
How do you come to that conclusion?
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Because it took so long. It was either down to the human side and them being really slower than average processing it or a communication or tech failure that added an extra delay.

Just thinking about it now and I wonder if the camera angle they pull the calibrated lines up to measure offside was one where the ball was hidden by Gvaridol and that caused problems.

If they had this view then just stick the crosshairs on Haaland's knee or shoulder and then measure the furthest point of the ball as if it was Madrid player playing him on or off.

If they were using a camera angle from the otherside of the pitch though where the ball would have been obscured then we get a longer wait while they figure it out.

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Blue Mist said:
I'm still waiting for a Var apologist to tell me why it took 4+ minutes last night to desperately try and rule a goal out.
Bearing in mind semi automated Var is better than the Aldi version we get normally.
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It was tight. One frame either way on the initial touch could have changed the outcome. It was a very big moment in a very big game.

Shit takes time?
 
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